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hk wrote:
:
:Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
:sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
:

What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?

Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
business.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:
:
:Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
:sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
:

What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?

Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
business.



Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.

The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception.


Harry's upset because a 17 year old became pregnant.

Think about that.

Eisboch




You don't read for content, either? I'm disappointed.

Try again:


"The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception."

I'm not sure I could have stated it more directly.

The issue is the mother, not the daughter...

Got it?



I got it the first, second, third and one hundred and fifty second time.

If Biden had a 17 year old pregnant daughter, it would be ok because they
are more *understanding* and permissive in these sort of things, huh?

Eisboch

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hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
:Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
:
:The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
:dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
:prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
:more normal fashion, eh?
:

Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.

:
:Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
:

And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
politics?

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception.

Harry's upset because a 17 year old became pregnant.

Think about that.

Eisboch



You don't read for content, either? I'm disappointed.

Try again:


"The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception."

I'm not sure I could have stated it more directly.

The issue is the mother, not the daughter...

Got it?



I got it the first, second, third and one hundred and fifty second time.

If Biden had a 17 year old pregnant daughter, it would be ok because they
are more *understanding* and permissive in these sort of things, huh?

Eisboch




Nope. You still don't get it. It is the hypocrisy of the mother, not the
pregnancy of the daughter.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception.

Harry's upset because a 17 year old became pregnant.

Think about that.

Eisboch



You don't read for content, either? I'm disappointed.

Try again:


"The issue is the mother, not the daughter, and McCain. It's the
Republican b.s. and hypocrisy about abstinence, sex education, and
availability of contraception."

I'm not sure I could have stated it more directly.

The issue is the mother, not the daughter...

Got it?



I got it the first, second, third and one hundred and fifty second time.

If Biden had a 17 year old pregnant daughter, it would be ok because
they are more *understanding* and permissive in these sort of things,
huh?

Eisboch



Nope. You still don't get it. It is the hypocrisy of the mother, not the
pregnancy of the daughter.

You are not going to sell it to this crowd Harry. We don't subscribe to
your your duplicity nor your hypocrisy.

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
:Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
:
:The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
:dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
:prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
:more normal fashion, eh?
:

Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.

:
:Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
:

And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
politics?



snerk

Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
the public schools?

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"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so dead
set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to prevent
pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a more
normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.



A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Ah, yes...abstinence education, about as realistic as, say, creationism.
: :
:
: So your claim is that virgin births are common?
:
: Who knew?
:
:
:Maybe in your family, not in mine.
:

So it would seem that abstinence will prevent pregnancy after all. So
much for your silly comparison to creationism, above.


you are confusing abstinence and abstinence education

The question is whether abstinence education produces abstinence


There will be a quiz


Vince

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:
:
:Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
:sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
:

What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?

Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
business.



So she says

haven't seen the boy myself

Vince

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:53:40 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

hk wrote:
:
:Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
:sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
:

What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?

Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
business.

Her daughter is marrying her father? Now that's just SICK. Poor
Eisboch.

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"Vincent" wrote in message
news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:
:
:Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
:sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
:

What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?

Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
business.



So she says

haven't seen the boy myself



I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because it
will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.

- nilita

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:13:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so dead
set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to prevent
pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a more
normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.



A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch




Don't you know that her husbands alledged DUI years ago is also her
fault?

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
:Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
:
:The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
:dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
:prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
:more normal fashion, eh?
:

Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.

In Europe, no problem
The staggering ignorance of American teenagers is well documented

Vince

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't
so dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the
ways to prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into
adulthood in a more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.



A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch

No its the mother's insistence that other children not be taught the
truth about contraception

The concept is lying by omission

Vince

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Vincent wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican
hypocrisy on : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the
girl.
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of
your
: business.
: :
:Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
:
:The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
:dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
:prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood
in a :more normal fashion, eh?
:

Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.

In Europe, no problem
The staggering ignorance of American teenagers is well documented

Vince

I wouldn't bet on "conservative" evangelical parents doing much in the
way of explaining the birds and the bees, contraception, and avoiding of
STDs to their children, being preaching abstinence.

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Vincent wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't
so dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the
ways to prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into
adulthood in a more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.



A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch

No its the mother's insistence that other children not be taught the
truth about contraception

The concept is lying by omission

Vince



A sin of omission, as it were.

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hk wrote:
:
:Nope. You still don't get it. It is the hypocrisy of the mother, not the
: pregnancy of the daughter.
:

You really don't know what "hypocrisy" means, do you?

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:13:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so dead
set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to prevent
pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a more
normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.

A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Please don't. :)

This is not a test
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:13:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so dead
set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to prevent
pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a more
normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Please don't. :)


I certainly wouldn't want to be in a party dominated by Good Job
Brownies like Tom.

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hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
:
: Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
:
: :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
:
: And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: politics?
:
:
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates

This is not a test
 

Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
:
: Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
:
: :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
:
: And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: politics?
:
:
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?



The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
to...pregnancy.

What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
daughter for the side effects of sexuality.

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"Vincent" wrote in message
news:NZZuk.266$1a2.115@trnddc04...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't
so dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the
ways to prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into
adulthood in a more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.



A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch

No its the mother's insistence that other children not be taught the
truth about contraception

The concept is lying by omission


I think this poor girl has had enough publicity. I think by now her mother
"gets it". I just tuned into some introductory remarks at the Republican
Convention, and they are adamant that they respect the privacy of certain
family matters and wish others would too. As much as hypocrisy on the part
of politicos gets my goat, there is absolutely no getting around it;
politicians are hypocrites. I hope those poor kids survive being in the
limelight without too much damage to their psyche, and I hope this becomes a
non-issue soon.

- nilita

This is not a test
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: : :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican
hypocrisy on : : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the
girl.
: : :
: : : : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: : : : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any
of your
: : business.
: : : :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood
in a : :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
: : Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
: : :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
: : And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with
your
: politics?
: :
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?



The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
to...pregnancy.

What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
daughter for the side effects of sexuality.

Through your life have you followed everything your parents taught you?

Teaching and acceptance by the student don't necessisarily go hand in hand.

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On Sep 1, 6:47*pm, hk wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? *Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: *Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
:
: Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? *We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
:
: :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
:
: And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: politics?
:
:
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. *Let's try again. *If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?

The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
to...pregnancy.

What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
daughter for the side effects of sexuality.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You would be wrong, er, um, Lobsta' boating again...

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La N wrote:
"Vincent" wrote in message
news:NZZuk.266$1a2.115@trnddc04...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't
so dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the
ways to prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into
adulthood in a more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.


A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch
No its the mother's insistence that other children not be taught the
truth about contraception

The concept is lying by omission


I think this poor girl has had enough publicity. I think by now her mother
"gets it". I just tuned into some introductory remarks at the Republican
Convention, and they are adamant that they respect the privacy of certain
family matters and wish others would too. As much as hypocrisy on the part
of politicos gets my goat, there is absolutely no getting around it;
politicians are hypocrites. I hope those poor kids survive being in the
limelight without too much damage to their psyche, and I hope this becomes a
non-issue soon.

- nilita



Well, I agree the girl is off limits, but the mother certainly isn't.
I'm sure the Republicans would prefer this would just go away, but since
the mother makes such an issue of teaching "abstinence," and working to
make sure proper sex education and proper information about
contraceptives are not made available in the public schools, I think the
failures of such thinking should be an issue in this campaign.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
La N wrote:
"Vincent" wrote in message
news:NZZuk.266$1a2.115@trnddc04...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't
so dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the
ways to prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into
adulthood in a more normal fashion, eh?

Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.


A 17 year old gets knocked up and the blame is on the mother for not
explaining the birds and the bees?

By God Harry, we'll make a Republican out of you yet!

Eisboch
No its the mother's insistence that other children not be taught the
truth about contraception

The concept is lying by omission


I think this poor girl has had enough publicity. I think by now her
mother "gets it". I just tuned into some introductory remarks at the
Republican Convention, and they are adamant that they respect the privacy
of certain family matters and wish others would too. As much as
hypocrisy on the part of politicos gets my goat, there is absolutely no
getting around it; politicians are hypocrites. I hope those poor kids
survive being in the limelight without too much damage to their psyche,
and I hope this becomes a non-issue soon.

- nilita

Well, I agree the girl is off limits, but the mother certainly isn't. I'm
sure the Republicans would prefer this would just go away, but since the
mother makes such an issue of teaching "abstinence," and working to make
sure proper sex education and proper information about contraceptives are
not made available in the public schools, I think the failures of such
thinking should be an issue in this campaign.

Well, if the mother - and the Repubs - are smart, they will not make sex
education a campaign issue leading up to the election.

- nilita

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"La N" wrote:
:
:"Vincent" wrote in message
:news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
: So she says
:
: haven't seen the boy myself
:
:

Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
Nazi liar.

:
:I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because it
:will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.
:

I suspect it's more likely that she's in love with the guy, wants to
keep the baby, and thinks two parents are better than one.

Why is it that you lot seem incapable of assuming that anyone whose
politics you disagree with might be doing things for GOOD reasons?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:
:
:"Vincent" wrote in message
:news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
: So she says
:
: haven't seen the boy myself
:
:

Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
Nazi liar.

:
:I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because it
:will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.
:

I suspect it's more likely that she's in love with the guy, wants to
keep the baby, and thinks two parents are better than one.

Why is it that you lot seem incapable of assuming that anyone whose
politics you disagree with might be doing things for GOOD reasons?


After eight years of Bush and Cheney? I know better. Nothing those two
thugs have done has been for good reasons.

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Fred J. McCall wrote:


Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?


Keep em stupid if that's they way momma wants it right?

Dumb and pregnant


Vince

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hk wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:
:
:"Vincent" wrote in message
:news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican
hypocrisy on : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the
girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
: So she says
:
: haven't seen the boy myself
:
:

Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
Nazi liar.

Its a plain fact

Mommy said they were getting married

of course the gullible will believe anything they hear

I m sure you sucked up to curveball

Vince

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:
:
:"Vincent" wrote in message
:news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
: :
: :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy
on : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: :
:
: What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
:
: Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: business.
:
:
: So she says
:
: haven't seen the boy myself
:
:

Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
Nazi liar.

:
:I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because
it :will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.
:

I suspect it's more likely that she's in love with the guy, wants to
keep the baby, and thinks two parents are better than one.

Why is it that you lot seem incapable of assuming that anyone whose
politics you disagree with might be doing things for GOOD reasons?


After eight years of Bush and Cheney? I know better. Nothing those two
thugs have done has been for good reasons.

Bush and Cheney aside, and they really have nothing to do with this
"debate", I want to mention - first of all Fred has long been in my
killfile, and I don't care about his opinions on *anything*. Secondly,
unfortunately with young marriages like this, especially starting out with a
child, statistically the divorce rate is high. But, how could I *not* wish
her the best and much happiness. I saw her on stage (on TV) holding and
cuddling her little 4 month old baby brother. I don't believe for a minute
those rumours about the 4 month old. I believe he is legitimately Sarah's
child. To me, it is not a partisan issue.

- nilita

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:47:23 -0400, hk wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
:
: Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
:
: :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
:
: And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: politics?
:
:
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?



The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
to...pregnancy.

What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
daughter for the side effects of sexuality.

The mother is too busy being an attention whore to do any parenting.
The daughter is just following that example and tryng to get some
atention for herself.

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:30:26 -0400, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:47:23 -0400, hk wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: :
: :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: :more normal fashion, eh?
: :
:
: Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
:
: :
: :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: :
:
: And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: politics?
:
:
:snerk
:
:Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
:then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
:the public schools?
:

Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?

Are you always this stupid?

Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?


The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
to...pregnancy.

What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
daughter for the side effects of sexuality.

The mother is too busy being an attention whore to do any parenting.
The daughter is just following that example and tryng to get some
atention for herself.



Well, I think the mother is fair game, but I don't believe the daughter
is.

She must have looked like fair game to whoever bagged her.

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"Vincent" wrote in message
news:Y2Zuk.277$393.79@trnddc05...
Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Fred J. McCall" wrote
in message : ... :
hk wrote: : : : :Of course not. If I were
"pushing" my beliefs, I'd be actively seeking : :judicial or
legislative solutions, : : : : And Roe v Wade is certainly nothing
like that... : : : what does roe v wade force on anybody?
: it stops the government from having control over women. : :
:Right-wingers don't seem to understand the concept...or the
:underpinnings of of Roe v. Wade. :

Or the lack of support. Perhaps it's left-wingers who don't seem to
understand?

:By all that is holy to them Constitutionally and legally, they should be
:supporters of Roe v. Wade. :

Please point to the text in the Constitution that Roe v. Wade is based
on.



Not the issue

The Constitution is interpreted, not read

http://www.usscplus.com/info/interp.htm

The court was interpreting the "Liberty" portion of the due process
clause, as It has since Meyer v Nebraska
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1901-1939/1922/1922_325/
Vince




wow, a law banning the teaching of foriegn languages. zenophobia run amuck

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hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: hk wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: :
: : :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : hk wrote:
: : : :
: : : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : : :
: : :
: : : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: : :
: : : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : : business.
: : :
: : :
: : :Yeah, teenybopper marriages usually are successful, too.
: : :
: : :The girl is not the issue, the mother is. Perhaps if mama weren't so
: : :dead set against the teaching of the mechanics of sex and the ways to
: : :prevent pregnancy, her daughter would be progressing into adulthood in a
: : :more normal fashion, eh?
: : :
: :
: : Do you SERIOUSLY think that teenagers don't know about sex,
: : contraception, and pregnancy by the age of 17? We certainly did when
: : I was that age, and that was a LONG time ago.
: :
: : :
: : :Remember, the *mother* is the issue. Not the daughter.
: : :
: :
: : And just what did the mother do wrong, other than disagree with your
: : politics?
: :
: :
: :snerk
: :
: :Gee, if the kids already know about sex, contraception and pregnancy,
: :then why is mama against it being talked about by a health teacher in
: :the public schools?
: :
:
: Gee, because perhaps she thinks that sort of thing is the realm of the
: PARENTS to advise their children on rather than the government?
:
: Are you always this stupid?
:
: Oh, and I note you dodged the question. Let's try again. If the
: issue is the mother and not the daughter, WHAT DID THE MOTHER DO THAT
: WARRANTS DRAGGING SOME POOR 17 YEAR OLD GIRL OUT INTO PUBLIC SCRUTINY?
:
:
:The problem is, I suspect, that evangelical parents do not teach their
:children about sex, contraception and avoidance of disease. What they
:teach is abstinence, which, along with the rhythm method, leads
:to...pregnancy.
:

So the problem is YOU, since the issue is what you "suspect".

:
:What did the mother do? Obviously, a ****-poor job of preparing her
:daughter for the side effects of sexuality.
:

Yeah, like nobody else ever gets pregnant. What does this have to do
with her being VP? The job isn't "raise our children for us",
although that seems to be what you want the government to be doing.

So the problem is you're stupid. Glad we sorted that out.

Still waiting for you to demonstrate that "hypocrisy" you keep
nattering on about.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates

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hk wrote:
:
:Well, I agree the girl is off limits, but the mother certainly isn't.
:

So why don't you find something to talk about that has to do with THE
MOTHER?

:
:I'm sure the Republicans would prefer this would just go away, but since
:the mother makes such an issue of teaching "abstinence," and working to
:make sure proper sex education and proper information about
:contraceptives are not made available in the public schools, I think the
:failures of such thinking should be an issue in this campaign.
:

Yes, and nobody but children of such parents ever gets pregnant.

What a load of codswollops!

You may not know what "hypocrisy" means, but you do a great job of
demonstrating it.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

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hk wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
: :
: :"Vincent" wrote in message
: :news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy on
: : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: : So she says
: :
: : haven't seen the boy myself
: :
: :
:
: Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
: Nazi liar.
:
: :
: :I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because it
: :will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.
: :
:
: I suspect it's more likely that she's in love with the guy, wants to
: keep the baby, and thinks two parents are better than one.
:
: Why is it that you lot seem incapable of assuming that anyone whose
: politics you disagree with might be doing things for GOOD reasons?
:
:
:After eight years of Bush and Cheney? I know better. Nothing those two
:thugs have done has been for good reasons.
:

I rest my case.

Your inability to actually discuss ISSUES is noted. All you can do is
slime and hate. Your sort may be why the Democrats could lose an
election that should be an easy win for them.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

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"La N" wrote:

:
:"hk" wrote in message
...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
: :
: :"Vincent" wrote in message
: :news:hRZuk.263$1a2.170@trnddc04...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : hk wrote:
: : :
: : :Once again, the issue is the girl's mother and Republican hypocrisy
: on : :sex education, abstinence and contraception, not the girl.
: : :
: :
: : What 'hypocrisy'? Do you even know what that word means?
: :
: : Hint: Her daughter is marrying the father, not that it's any of your
: : business.
: :
: :
: : So she says
: :
: : haven't seen the boy myself
: :
: :
:
: Typical Vinnie. Everyone to the right of Lenin is automatically a
: Nazi liar.
:
: :
: :I hope she is not feeling pressured into marrying somebody, just because
: it :will help her mother politically. 17 is awfully young.
: :
:
: I suspect it's more likely that she's in love with the guy, wants to
: keep the baby, and thinks two parents are better than one.
:
: Why is it that you lot seem incapable of assuming that anyone whose
: politics you disagree with might be doing things for GOOD reasons?
:
:
: After eight years of Bush and Cheney? I know better. Nothing those two
: thugs have done has been for good reasons.
:
:Bush and Cheney aside, and they really have nothing to do with this
:"debate", I want to mention - first of all Fred has long been in my
:killfile, and I don't care about his opinions on *anything*.
:

Poor Nilita. One of these days she'll get over the fact that junior
high school tactics like her trotting out her killfile at the drop of
a hat don't work with anyone but junior high school mentalities.

:
:Secondly,
:unfortunately with young marriages like this, especially starting out with a
:child, statistically the divorce rate is high. But, how could I *not* wish
:her the best and much happiness. I saw her on stage (on TV) holding and
:cuddling her little 4 month old baby brother. I don't believe for a minute
:those rumours about the 4 month old. I believe he is legitimately Sarah's
:child. To me, it is not a partisan issue.
:

To me it shouldn't be an issue even if it was true.

And the DEMOCRATS complain about 'smear machines'!

Feh!

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates