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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch More than 70% of the country feels that Bush is a general foch-up. "Chimpenfuhrer" is not a term I've heard before, but it seems apt. Perhaps your view of the real world is clouded by the number of righties in here who feel compelled to defend Bush's every failure. I am *so* confused ....... Eisboch |
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:Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message : ... : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... -- "You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain |
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On Aug 30, 7:58 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch More than 70% of the country feels that Bush is a general foch-up. "Chimpenfuhrer" is not a term I've heard before, but it seems apt. Perhaps your view of the real world is clouded by the number of righties in here who feel compelled to defend Bush's every failure. I am *so* confused ....... Eisboch RAy: You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:31:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. BS, here's a time-line, so you can get your story straight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina |
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wrote in message ... RAy: You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. All this blaming is directed at the wrong people. It was the National Weather Service's fault, if you really want to call it a fault or cast blame. If you recall, Katrina didn't hit exactly where it was forecast to hit and, although the initial storm damage was bad, it wasn't catastrophic. It was the storm surge that took it's toll on the levies, causing them to let go that caused the major problems and that didn't happen right away. The storm track that caused this was not predicted by the National Weather Service. I suspect that was part of the reason for a delay in the evacuation decisions and also the decisions by many to stay there and ride out the storm. Eisboch |
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message : ... : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoered http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and cali http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault. |
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On Aug 30, 8:56*pm, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:u9pjb49h3r7fdabqhrm56oai4es6tfcrs3@4ax .com... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message om... : "hk" wrote in message om... : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. *Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. * Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. * If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. *Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... *bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoeredhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and calihttp://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What about the hundreds of scientists and trucks that dissappeared into Lebanon in the 6 weeks or so while France and Russia stalled us going in? What about the known fact that Iraq was putting all of their facilities on wheels in the ten years between wars? It's always been a catch 22 for Bush. I think a lot of folks in congress know exactly where the stuff is but knowing Bush can't say anything makes it easy for the Dems to use that against him... |
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On Aug 30, 9:23 pm, wrote:
On Aug 30, 8:56 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:u9pjb49h3r7fdabqhrm56oai4es6tfcrs3@4ax .com... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message om... : "hk" wrote in message om... : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoeredhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and calihttp://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What about the hundreds of scientists and trucks that dissappeared into Lebanon in the 6 weeks or so while France and Russia stalled us going in? What about the known fact that Iraq was putting all of their facilities on wheels in the ten years between wars? It's always been a catch 22 for Bush. I think a lot of folks in congress know exactly where the stuff is but knowing Bush can't say anything makes it easy for the Dems to use that against him... Read the timeline yourself, they didnt call for an evac until less than 24 hours before landfall and landfall is always well after storm surge. Basically they didnt order mandatory evac until less than 20 hours prior to max surge. Their own plan called for at least 36 hour evac. BY early Thur, the predicted path had it hitting near NO with predictions of strengthing after getting into the warm gulf. Even with uncertainty in the path, they had the prev years Sci Am article predicting that a hurricane hitting NO would be the next major natural Disaster. In 2005, predictions had gotten very good and the Gulf is warm enough in Aug that such storms always strengthen. Not following their own plan was criminal. IF they had followed their own plan, those people in the hospitals would have lived because they would have been evaced first. Nagin and Blanco did not order an evac until Sat because they thought they could avoid losing revenue from ppl who would stay until Fri afternoon at conventions. EVEN WORSE, the levee had been failing MONTHS before Katrina with residents reporting salt water seeping under it but local authorities who are supposed to maintain it did nothing. Basically, they got lucky that they had a partial evac instead of having it fail in a smaller storm (with no evac) as it ultimately would have done. I know the Katrina Timeline very well. |
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"tankfixer" wrote in message . .. dying. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. If he had acted before being asked you would be howling how he excceed his authority straw man arguments is all you ever have. |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. |
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"CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] |
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On Aug 31, 5:14*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message om... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message . .. "CalifBill" wrote in message news:g7mdne8lH8KULSTVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@earthlink .com... the Feds had no responsibility. *They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. *They did not. *Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. *I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. *could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! *Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. *Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. *The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. *You are so antiBush. *Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are probably dealing with a harrytale sockpuppet.. |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. |
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CalifBill wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? Are you saying that Ray Nagin, Democrat Mayor of New Orleans, handled Katrina right and are you saying the Kathleen Blanco, Democrat Governor of Louisiana, handled Katrina right? |
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CalifBill wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? NO, they handled it terribly, but as bad as they F'ed up, state and local handled it worst. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? it seems they are. and even though i've proved evidence and links showing he was asked they continue to deny it happened. even though i've shown they had a detailed plan worked out in advance , the"hurricane pam" scenario they continue to deny it. their respinse is always the same " you just hate george bush" well i do hate him, he's been an incompetent fool who has weakened and embarassed the country and screwed up everything he's touched and eroded our freedoms. but he waves a flag, says jesus a few times and they all swoon. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? it seems they are. and even though i've proved evidence and links showing he was asked they continue to deny it happened. even though i've shown they had a detailed plan worked out in advance , the"hurricane pam" scenario they continue to deny it. their respinse is always the same " you just hate george bush" well i do hate him, he's been an incompetent fool who has weakened and embarassed the country and screwed up everything he's touched and eroded our freedoms. but he waves a flag, says jesus a few times and they all swoon. Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake alone. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. hk wrote: CalifBill wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? Are you saying that Ray Nagin, Democrat Mayor of New Orleans, handled Katrina right and are you saying the Kathleen Blanco, Democrat Governor of Louisiana, handled Katrina right? nobody has said they did, but they did ask for help and the feds didn't supply it as has been agreed to months before. whereas you keep defending the chimpler despite the evidence. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake alone. Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort a child with a handicap. Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake alone. Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort a child with a handicap. Eisboch Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, but anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake alone. Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort a child with a handicap. Eisboch Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, but anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. If pro-choicers did not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, why do we have Roe vs. Wade? Eisboch |
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Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake alone. Did you notice how the Dem's were tripping over themselves to see who can talk about God or say "God bless" the most? |
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:Eisboch wrote: : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake : alone. : : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort : a child with a handicap. : : :Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ... : Well, yeah, they do. : :... but :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. : I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same to you as abortion does to them. Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail. So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force your view' on me? That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable. Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you do is merely specious. -- "The gom jabbar, the high-handed enemy...It kills only animals." -- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Dune |
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hk wrote: :Eisboch wrote: : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake : alone. : : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort : a child with a handicap. : : :Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ... : Well, yeah, they do. : :... but :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. : I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same to you as abortion does to them. Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail. So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force your view' on me? That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable. Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you do is merely specious. Your supposition is silliness. If the anti-abortionists were truly against killing human beings, they would be opposed to capital punishment and war. But most aren't; they pervert their religious texts to justify capital punishment and war. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. |
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hk wrote: :Eisboch wrote: : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake : alone. : : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort : a child with a handicap. : : :Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ... : Well, yeah, they do. : :... but :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. : I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same to you as abortion does to them. Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail. So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force your view' on me? That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable. Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you do is merely specious. you beg your own question you called them "people" that is the issue Some folks think of a collection of cells as a person and some don't. Vince |
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hk wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote: : hk wrote: : : :Eisboch wrote: : : "hk" wrote in message : : . .. : : : : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses : : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake : : alone. : : : : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort : : a child with a handicap. : : : : : :Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ... : : : : Well, yeah, they do. : : : : :... but : :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. : : : : I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this : from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same : to you as abortion does to them. : : Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty : much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that : they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of : human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My : response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so : killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail. : : So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force : your view' on me? : : That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual : question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable. : Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for : them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending : that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you : do is merely specious. : : :Your supposition is silliness. : To you. I'm sorry you suffer from such intellectual limitations. I note you don't have an answer. : :If the anti-abortionists were truly against killing human beings, they :would be opposed to capital punishment and war. But most aren't; they :pervert their religious texts to justify capital punishment and war. : They're against killing INNOCENT human beings, as in those who haven't done something like kill other people or attack them. : :In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of :psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a :patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method :to control women. : Then in your heart you are just an intellectually challenged loonytoon who is unable to see anyone's view but his own. -- "The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one’s neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the people next door are headed for hell." -- Aleister Crowley |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. Sure. Right. A method to control women...... It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does it? Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. Sure. Right. A method to control women...... It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does it? Eisboch Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg Church, no doubt. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. Sure. Right. A method to control women...... It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does it? Eisboch Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg Church, no doubt. You are truly unbelievable. On one hand you are for freedom of expression, thought and to a degree, deed. But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. Those that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence, rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs. Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are? Eisboch |
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On Aug 31, 11:02*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. Sure. *Right. *A method to control women...... It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does it? Eisboch Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg Church, no doubt. You are truly unbelievable. * On one hand you are for freedom of expression, thought and to a degree, deed. But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. * Those that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence, rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs. Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I really don't think they do. Just like most hard core liberal/ progressive (repressive) folks I know. Self centered, and intolerant to anyone who does not subscribe, lock step. I guess when you are that insecure, you don't like any opposition.. That's why they are so against free speech. |
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@mypacks.net says... CalifBill wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? NOBODY, handled the situation right. Can't you see that ? -- Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste Goode with Ketchup. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Fred J. McCall wrote: hk wrote: :Eisboch wrote: : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far right uses : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for hypocrisy's sake : alone. : : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not to abort : a child with a handicap. : : :Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ... : Well, yeah, they do. : :... but :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers. : I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same to you as abortion does to them. Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail. So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force your view' on me? That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable. Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you do is merely specious. Your supposition is silliness. If the anti-abortionists were truly against killing human beings, they would be opposed to capital punishment and war. But most aren't; they pervert their religious texts to justify capital punishment and war. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. "republicans believe the right to life starts at conception and ends with birth" barney frank. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:23 -0700, CalifBill wrote:
the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. Something that has been overlooked in this discussion, 90% of Greater New Orleans was successfully evacuated, over 1 million people. I can't think of a more successful or complete evacuation in American history, can you? Could it have been better? Sure, but from my standpoint, besides the inadequate levees, most of the problems were after the storm, not before or during. It took far too long to get the needed resources into place. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. CalifBill wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop. defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds failed to comply.. Hurricane Pam exercise Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10] And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years. Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"? Nope, they did not. Did the Louisiana people handle it right? They screwed up even worse than the Feds. Would Clinton have screwed it up. Probably the same as Bush. Is N.O. worth rebuilding? Probably not as they are trying to do. |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:02:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control women. Sure. Right. A method to control women...... It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does it? Eisboch Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg Church, no doubt. You are truly unbelievable. On one hand you are for freedom of expression, thought and to a degree, deed. But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. Those that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence, rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs. Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are? What Harry knows about anything can be written on the tip of a stick pin using a railroad spike as a chisel and a twelve pound sledge hammer as a striker. In 72 point Gothic script. |
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