"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

You anti-abortionists are a panic. You're "pro-life" until a fetus is
born and then most of you don't give a crap whether the kid lives or
dies or what kind of life it lives. You join the military and are more
than willing to killing women and children and burn villages, and
you're pro death penalty.

What a crock of absolute crap most of you are.

At its base your "pro-life-ness" is little more than your slightly
repressed Freudian fear of sexuality and your need to control women.




Bull**** Harry. That may be your little warped "take" on the subject,
but it doesn't reflect mine or many others.

Eisboch



I don't recall naming you. And I did include the "most" qualifier.

Eisboch,
when Harry is talking about the sexually repressed, woman beating
Republicans he is not talking about you. You are a righteous rightie.


Right now I am a pretty disgusted righteous rightie. I should know better
because after 14 years of reading his daily contributions to the NG, I know
Harry and I shouldn't allow him to get to me. He gets his jollies posting
offensive comments, designed to incite, just to watch people react. He's
proud of his writing prowess but abuses it using his inventory of
opprobrious words and phrases in an attempt to bully or belittle others to
further his POV. To him it's like plucking the wings off of flies and
watching them die. Tough guy, huh?

There are a lot of smart, talented and knowledgeable people who participate
in this newsgroup. Individually, and certainly collectively, they reduce
much of Harry's sneering contributions to worthless blather. The people I
admire are those who can influence change for the better without having to
resort to the verbal annihilation, spoken or written, of people they don't
like or who may not currently share their viewpoints. It requires skill,
knowledge and a degree of compassion. Anyone can do what Harry does if they
want to stoop so low but it usually ends up being like a playground full of
arguing children. Or the current status of rec.boats.

The "really" smart people gave up on this NG years ago.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

You anti-abortionists are a panic. You're "pro-life" until a fetus is
born and then most of you don't give a crap whether the kid lives or
dies or what kind of life it lives. You join the military and are more
than willing to killing women and children and burn villages, and
you're pro death penalty.

What a crock of absolute crap most of you are.

At its base your "pro-life-ness" is little more than your slightly
repressed Freudian fear of sexuality and your need to control women.



Bull**** Harry. That may be your little warped "take" on the subject,
but it doesn't reflect mine or many others.

Eisboch


I don't recall naming you. And I did include the "most" qualifier.
Eisboch,
when Harry is talking about the sexually repressed, woman beating
Republicans he is not talking about you. You are a righteous rightie.


Right now I am a pretty disgusted righteous rightie. I should know better
because after 14 years of reading his daily contributions to the NG, I know
Harry and I shouldn't allow him to get to me. He gets his jollies posting
offensive comments, designed to incite, just to watch people react. He's
proud of his writing prowess but abuses it using his inventory of
opprobrious words and phrases in an attempt to bully or belittle others to
further his POV. To him it's like plucking the wings off of flies and
watching them die. Tough guy, huh?

There are a lot of smart, talented and knowledgeable people who participate
in this newsgroup. Individually, and certainly collectively, they reduce
much of Harry's sneering contributions to worthless blather. The people I
admire are those who can influence change for the better without having to
resort to the verbal annihilation, spoken or written, of people they don't
like or who may not currently share their viewpoints. It requires skill,
knowledge and a degree of compassion. Anyone can do what Harry does if they
want to stoop so low but it usually ends up being like a playground full of
arguing children. Or the current status of rec.boats.

The "really" smart people gave up on this NG years ago.

Eisboch





*I* gave up on this newsgroup years ago. No one can start an on-topic
discussion here without some snarky a**hole like Reggie immediately
going after the poster or the post. Just go back over any month's posts
and you'll see who the "attack dogs" are.

There are lots of entries in the "literature," as it were, relating to
the extreme right's repression of women by forcing pregnancies upon
them, or by attempting to control their natural sexuality. Much of this
is based upon fear of loss of control.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:46:04 -0500, HK wrote:

You anti-abortionists are a panic. You're "pro-life" until a fetus is
born and then most of you don't give a crap whether the kid lives or
dies or what kind of life it lives.

What the hell are you talking about? You think it's better to kill a
baby under the reprehensible construct of "reproductive rights"?

Here's your "reproductive right" - it's nothing more than a feel good
term for murder - period.

You and you asshole abortionist buddies are murderers.

You join the military and are more than willing to killing women and
children and burn villages, and you're pro death penalty.

Care to prove that?

What a crock of absolute crap most of you are.

And what a flying asshole you are.

At its base your "pro-life-ness" is little more than your slightly
repressed Freudian fear of sexuality and your need to control women.

Ah yes - the last resort of the hedonistic pussy boy - no need for
personal responsibility, ethics and morals - just kill 'em all and
avoid responsibility.

I used to think you were ok - a little weird and paying a price for
some wayward braggadocio, but essentially fairly normal.

Now I know better.

Don't bother replying - I'm done with you.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

You anti-abortionists are a panic. You're "pro-life" until a fetus is
born and then most of you don't give a crap whether the kid lives or
dies or what kind of life it lives. You join the military and are more
than willing to killing women and children and burn villages, and
you're pro death penalty.

What a crock of absolute crap most of you are.

At its base your "pro-life-ness" is little more than your slightly
repressed Freudian fear of sexuality and your need to control women.




Bull**** Harry. That may be your little warped "take" on the subject,
but it doesn't reflect mine or many others.

Eisboch



I don't recall naming you. And I did include the "most" qualifier.

Eisboch,
when Harry is talking about the sexually repressed, woman beating
Republicans he is not talking about you. You are a righteous rightie.


Right now I am a pretty disgusted righteous rightie. I should know better
because after 14 years of reading his daily contributions to the NG, I
know Harry and I shouldn't allow him to get to me. He gets his jollies
posting offensive comments, designed to incite, just to watch people
react. He's proud of his writing prowess but abuses it using his
inventory of opprobrious words and phrases in an attempt to bully or
belittle others to further his POV. To him it's like plucking the wings
off of flies and watching them die. Tough guy, huh?

There are a lot of smart, talented and knowledgeable people who
participate in this newsgroup. Individually, and certainly collectively,
they reduce much of Harry's sneering contributions to worthless blather.
The people I admire are those who can influence change for the better
without having to resort to the verbal annihilation, spoken or written, of
people they don't like or who may not currently share their viewpoints.
It requires skill, knowledge and a degree of compassion. Anyone can do
what Harry does if they want to stoop so low but it usually ends up being
like a playground full of arguing children. Or the current status of
rec.boats.

The "really" smart people gave up on this NG years ago.

Eisboch

How about if I give up on Krause and throw him in the dumper. Will that make
me any smarter? I know it will improve my mental health.

"Jim" wrote in message
...


How about if I give up on Krause and throw him in the dumper. Will that
make me any smarter? I know it will improve my mental health.

I think you are showing signs of brilliance already.
I know what you've been up to. Don't waste your time.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:46:04 -0500, HK wrote:

You anti-abortionists are a panic. You're "pro-life" until a fetus is
born and then most of you don't give a crap whether the kid lives or
dies or what kind of life it lives.

What the hell are you talking about? You think it's better to kill a
baby under the reprehensible construct of "reproductive rights"?


I think it is entirely up to a woman and her doctor to determine in the
first three months of a pregnancy if it should go full term. After that,
if there are compelling medical reasons for an abortion, it should be
allowed.




Here's your "reproductive right" - it's nothing more than a feel good
term for murder - period.

You and you asshole abortionist buddies are murderers.

You join the military and are more than willing to killing women and
children and burn villages, and you're pro death penalty.

Care to prove that?

Prove what? That many of those who claim to be so "pro-life" don't get
nearly as upset when non-combatant, non-involved men, women and children
are killed as a result of war, or that some of those "pro-lifers" engage
in the killing themselves? When's the last time any "pro-lifer" here
expressed real concern or horror over all the innocents being killed in
Iraq?

At its base your "pro-life-ness" is little more than your slightly
repressed Freudian fear of sexuality and your need to control women.

Ah yes - the last resort of the hedonistic pussy boy - no need for
personal responsibility, ethics and morals - just kill 'em all and
avoid responsibility.


There are lots of cites in academic literature about the ways women are
and have been repressed. Keeping them "barefoot and pregnant" is one way
to do this. Keeping them from owning property was (and is, in some
societies) another way. Women who have control over their lives (and
their bodies) are seen as a threat to a male-dominated society.

Freudians (of which I am not one) would have a ball in this newsgroup.

Jim wrote:



How about if I give up on Krause and throw him in the dumper. Will that
make me any smarter?

If you went to Oz and begged, Scarecrow, the wizard might give you a
brain. That would make you smarter.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:00:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Right now I am a pretty disgusted righteous rightie. I should know better
because after 14 years of reading his daily contributions to the NG, I know
Harry and I shouldn't allow him to get to me. He gets his jollies posting
offensive comments, designed to incite, just to watch people react. He's
proud of his writing prowess but abuses it using his inventory of
opprobrious words and phrases in an attempt to bully or belittle others to
further his POV. To him it's like plucking the wings off of flies and
watching them die. Tough guy, huh?

Interesting way to put it. And dead on.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:00:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Right now I am a pretty disgusted righteous rightie. I should know better
because after 14 years of reading his daily contributions to the NG, I know
Harry and I shouldn't allow him to get to me. He gets his jollies posting
offensive comments, designed to incite, just to watch people react. He's
proud of his writing prowess but abuses it using his inventory of
opprobrious words and phrases in an attempt to bully or belittle others to
further his POV. To him it's like plucking the wings off of flies and
watching them die. Tough guy, huh?

Interesting way to put it. And dead on.


What about a woman forced to risk her life to take a pregnancy to term?
Or a child forced to carry her own father's baby? Is anti-abortion
rhetoric going to help a heroin addict deliver a child with severe
mental deficiencies? Maybe the Christian Coalition would like to adopt
all children born with severe mental and physical deformities, whose
life would only last for a few months? Is this the sanctity of life
these groups extol?

Reproductive rights preserves the rights of the living and often spares
an infant needless suffering. So what is it that the conservatives are
fighting for, anyway? Life at any cost? A utilitarian protection of the
rights of the majority, over the few? Sounds a lot like the ethics of
war. But, then again, that's a conservative value too.

"HK" wrote in message
...


What about a woman forced to risk her life to take a pregnancy to term? Or
a child forced to carry her own father's baby? Is anti-abortion rhetoric
going to help a heroin addict deliver a child with severe mental
deficiencies? Maybe the Christian Coalition would like to adopt all
children born with severe mental and physical deformities, whose life
would only last for a few months? Is this the sanctity of life these
groups extol?

Reproductive rights preserves the rights of the living and often spares an
infant needless suffering. So what is it that the conservatives are
fighting for, anyway? Life at any cost? A utilitarian protection of the
rights of the majority, over the few? Sounds a lot like the ethics of war.
But, then again, that's a conservative value too.


Since you are being rational and non-offensive, I'll offer an opinion.
I recently looked up abortion statistics provided by a pro-abortion
organization.
Less than 1 percent of abortions are performed due to rape.
Something like 3 percent are done due to rape and/or health issues for
mother or unborn.
The rest ... 97 percent ... are done for "convenience".

Any reasonable person can understand the unfortunate requirement for
abortion in the case of rape or health issues. It's the irresponsible
aborting of life for "convenience" that is bothersome.

Eisboch