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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:03:49 -0500, HK
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:05:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Any reasonable person can understand the unfortunate requirement
for abortion in the case of rape or health issues. It's the
irresponsible aborting of life for "convenience" that is
bothersome.

Some anti-abortionists are against it even in the case of rape.
And I can see that. Innocent life is innocent life.
Personally, I find it abhorrent, and can frankly say I don't know
anyone who has admitted to it.
As a social issue, the thrust should be in preventing unwanted
pregnancies.
But I would never presume to tell anyone not to have an abortion
unless I was willing to support the child myself.
I would work in that direction for my family, but I sure as hell
won't
for a stranger, unless I'm taxed for the new "Unwanted Baby
Entitlement Program" Then I'll pitch in with the rest of society.
There's a twist here on Groucho's "I wouldn't belong to any club
that
would have me as a member," but it hurts to go there.

--Vic
If it were men who got pregnant, "abortion" would not be an issue.
It would be "abortion on demand," anytime, anyplace.
Probably something to that. I'm just glad I've never had to make
such
a decision. A few years ago my wife collapsed at work with a
spontaneous abortion, losing a tremendous amount of blood.
We didn't know she was pregnant - about 6 weeks.
Rhythm method sucks.
The sonogram at the hospital showed a barely recognizable fetus with
a
still beating heart. The baby died within ten minutes. I felt
worse
than she did. She was 42 years old. She's told me flat out she
would
have an abortion, but I know I would try to convince her otherwise.
The simple solution for us is better birth control.

--Vic
For thinking adults, abortion is not an easy decision.

There is so much hypocrisy surrounding beliefs about human sexuality
and reproduction that I look askance at anyone who wants to make
abortion illegal. Many of the same people who are vehemently
anti-abortion are also against teaching proper birth control methods
to pre-teens and teens, and against making condoms and other devices
easily available to anyone who wants them. My favorites are the ones
who preach "abstinence." Bill Maher had a wonderful "bit" about the
actual impact of such preaching on young women...

Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens
and the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the
rest of her life.

True, but teaching abstinence has been shown to NOT work well at all.

I assume you're capable of seeing the difference between abstinence,
and teaching abstinence.
Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not the
teaching of abstinence.


Good. I just wanted to make sure you weren't about to suggest that
teaching other contraceptive methods in schools was the same as
encouraging kids to have sex, and that only abstinence should be taught.

Back up there buddy, I don't condone the schools teaching my child how to
use a condom or take the pill. That is my responsibility not the schools.
And, the schools shouldn't be teaching abstinence because they shouldn't
be teaching my kids the birds and the bees either.

My children have been taught about the birds and the bees and
contraceptive methods her at home with all of the additional information
about how succumbing to your base desires at such an early age can really
screw up your life. I have a daughter who wants to go to Harvard and
Oxford and she may just do that but, it would be a hell of lot harder if
she was the mother of a baby or toddler at the time.



Just one problem he An annoyingly high percentage of teenagers get no
sex information from ANY responsible adult outside of the schools.

What do you think about that? Don't argue with the truth of the statement.
Just tell me what you think about the fact I stated.

"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not the
teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.


Probably why he's so constipated all the time.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not the
teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious behavior
Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off of a
line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You remind me of
him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical
act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense my
power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake,
but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not the
teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious behavior
Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off of a
line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You remind me of
him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical
act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily
I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense my
power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake,
but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.


What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he was
caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he could have.

Jim wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not
the teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious
behavior Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your
computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off
of a line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You remind
me of him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the
physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of
essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense
my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women,
Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.


What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he was
caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he could have.


Are you saying you are more like General Ripper than Bertie is?

BTW, what sort of boat did you say you had?

HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not
the teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious
behavior Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your
computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off
of a line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You
remind me of him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the
physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of
essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense
my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women,
Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.


What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he
was caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he
could have.


Are you saying you are more like General Ripper than Bertie is?

BTW, what sort of boat did you say you had?


Why don't you show us a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

You took a picture of your GPS why not your boat?

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part,
not the teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious
behavior Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your
computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off
of a line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You
remind me of him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the
physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of
essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women
sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid
women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.


What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he
was caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he
could have.


Are you saying you are more like General Ripper than Bertie is?

BTW, what sort of boat did you say you had?


Why don't you show us a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

You took a picture of your GPS why not your boat?



Is Skipper dead? I said I would do so once I had indisputable proof
Skipper was dead.

You see, Bertiepoop, I play by *my* rules, not yours.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:18:35 -0500, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:


Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part,
not the teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious
behavior Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your
computers?



If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off
of a line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You
remind me of him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the
physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of
essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women
sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid
women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.


What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he
was caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he
could have.


Are you saying you are more like General Ripper than Bertie is?

BTW, what sort of boat did you say you had?


Why don't you show us a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

You took a picture of your GPS why not your boat?



Is Skipper dead? I said I would do so once I had indisputable proof
Skipper was dead.

You see, Bertiepoop, I play by *my* rules, not yours.

Looks like you're down to one or two now, Harry.
--
John H

On Feb 15, 3:18*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
om...
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part,
not the teaching of abstinence.

I'll bet you are really into preserving your precious bodily fluids.

How many times have you been arrested for lewd and lascivious
behavior Harry?

Does your wife, if she exists, know what you do while on your
computers?

If you were culturally literate, you'd recognize that as a take-off
of a line from the one and only Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper. You
remind me of him. Know of General Ripper?

"Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the
physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed.
Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of
essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women
sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid
women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes. "

If you ever get evaluated by a real psychiatrist he will most surely
recommend that you be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
institution.

What a freaking liar. Ask him about Peggy or Delores. (The women he
was caught stalking). Probably would have stalked Karen too if he
could have.

Are you saying you are more like General Ripper than Bertie is?

BTW, what sort of boat did you say you had?

Why don't you show us a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

You took a picture of your GPS why not your boat?

Is Skipper dead? I said I would do so once I had indisputable proof
Skipper was dead.

You see, Bertiepoop, I play by *my* rules, not yours.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, don't even worry. We all know you are the biggest liar here.

On Feb 12, 4:50*pm, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.

See...a non-boating related post.