"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?





The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the gap
between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social welfare
programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

Gimmee some time to digest that paragraph.

Eisboch

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:43 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


May be... but I don't think I would be bothering to post here if I
lived there. Regular gas is $8.98/gal there. I don't know what I would
do as a hobby.... but, I'm pretty sure boating would be out of reach.

I'd probably own a bigger boat in Venezuela..... $.12/gal.



You'd own a sailboat and be better off for it. ;-)

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch


If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

Can you imagine what this does to independent taxi drivers, truckers etc who
may be regulated and can't always pass that cost on.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:42:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the gap
between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social welfare
programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

Gimmee some time to digest that paragraph.

Use paragoric - it might help. :)

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:03 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch




If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I worked PT at UPS washing/fueling trucks while I attended college.
In 1976 I was making 10 bucks an hour. The package loaders/unloaders
were making about 11 bucks, but had a tougher job aside from weather.
Gas - and everything else - was a lot cheaper in 1976.
I was paying a mortgage, had 3 kids and my wife was a housewife, home
with the kids.
With about 165 bucks UPS takehome pay and another 100 from the GI
Bill, we were doing fine.
Went on the UPS website today.
Package guys are now making 8.50 - 9.00 an hour.
Which is a couple bucks less than in 1976.
Progress.

--Vic

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:35:37 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.

My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch

If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

Eisboch




The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the
gap between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social
welfare programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

The absence of socialism means everyone can have a boat, but they must work
for it. Completing high school helps. Being a legal immigrant also helps.

Harry, I think Norway is calling you.
--
John H

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:59:18 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:03 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch




If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I worked PT at UPS washing/fueling trucks while I attended college.
In 1976 I was making 10 bucks an hour. The package loaders/unloaders
were making about 11 bucks, but had a tougher job aside from weather.
Gas - and everything else - was a lot cheaper in 1976.
I was paying a mortgage, had 3 kids and my wife was a housewife, home
with the kids.
With about 165 bucks UPS takehome pay and another 100 from the GI
Bill, we were doing fine.
Went on the UPS website today.
Package guys are now making 8.50 - 9.00 an hour.
Which is a couple bucks less than in 1976.
Progress.

--Vic

And they're probably illegal immigrants. Why should anyone pay more when
the supply is everywhere? Some day someone will figure that out.
--
John H

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:28:13 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:57:58 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.
Ah, no. Better to drain the foreign reserves dry before hitting our own.
We know what we've got here and when the crunch comes it'd be far better to
have our own to fall back on while the rest of the world panics.

OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:

"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."


As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

Not much in the way of intellectual prowess is needed to figure out what
you mean, Harry.
--
John H

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true




Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

Their oil wealth has turned them all lazy.

HK wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.



So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

That is your opinion.

If you like the Norwegian way of life I sure you can hop a tramp steamer
and be there in a couple of months.