On Oct 16, 4:15 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:
Jack Redington wrote:
HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels
are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed.
At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that
was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good.
Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains
were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news
anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the
drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people
in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake
is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about
twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with
the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here
(about 10 years)
The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is
to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where
the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the
tri-state angle on the water resources war.
As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are
hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what
happens when water gets lower them normal.
If you are really interested:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut...
Capt Jack R..
I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the
lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life
now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem.

I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter
rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security
bringing in water trucks.- Hide quoted text -

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Harry, here's a URL. Look on the left margin, and you'll see a link to
aerial pics for Alatoona and Lanier.
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/me.../08/LanierRamp...

Thanks...those photos present the problem well.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm going to try to get over to the lake this weekend to look around,
if I do, I'll take some pictures. It's kind of surrreal to stand where
water used to be and take pictures looking up at ramp ends!

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:04:57 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
deep.- Hide quoted text -

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Deep is a relative term, dip****.

Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text -

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Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text -

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Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of
your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text -

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Why dodge the questions, John?

Question answered.

On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:04:57 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
deep.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Deep is a relative term, dip****.

Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of
your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text -

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Why dodge the questions, John?

Question answered.- Hide quoted text -

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Uh, there was more than one question, John. In case you're having
trouble, but appear to be willing to answer, I'll break the paragraph
down for you, okay?
The first question was, "why the insults"?
Second question was, "why is it that you do what you want, but when
someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a little
baby"?

wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:

From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.

Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power
production.

It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped
considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10
mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some
cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore.
But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within
50-75 ft.

Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines.

Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so
there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of
downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with
drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons
per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous
conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to
explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far).

I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how
to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and
there's very little coming over the spill way.

kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek.


I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad
shape too.

fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last
three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it
won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating
up north to flow down.

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On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:04:57 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
deep.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Deep is a relative term, dip****.

Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of
your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why dodge the questions, John?

Question answered.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, there was more than one question, John. In case you're having
trouble, but appear to be willing to answer, I'll break the paragraph
down for you, okay?
The first question was, "why the insults"?

Because you deserved them.

Second question was, "why is it that you do what you want, but when
someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a little
baby"?

Haven't whined.

wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news Jack Redington wrote:
HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious
protracted rain soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are
closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool.
At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look
good.
Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring
rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not
really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short.
For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about
6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the
fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present
they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming
in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been
going on since I have been here (about 10 years)
The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it
is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being
where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water.
Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war.
As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are
hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is
what happens when water gets lower them normal.
If you are really interested:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut...
Capt Jack R..
I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of
the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine
life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat
problem.
I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter
rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland
Security bringing in water trucks.
Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of
fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and
Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes.
Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational
lake.........correct?
First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir.
No. Flood Control.
Rob- Hide quoted text -
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From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.
In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list.

Rob- Hide quoted text -

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Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at
Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little,

Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority,
which is below flood control in priority. You got it right!

Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from
the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized
by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity.

The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide
hydroelectricity and flood control.

Who told you any different?

Rob

and alot of
times, none. Under normal rain conditions, when downstream waters get
replenished by the rain, instead of relying on Lanier, they don't even
release water, so no production. As to Harry's comment that first and
foremost it's a reservior, that is correct. It's where water is
collected and stored. And yes, flood control is part of the reason for
the lake, but not necessarily the top reason. As a side note, Lanier
wouldn't be in such bad shape if, during this continuing drought, a
big mistake had not been made. The Army Corp installed a new lake
gauge in winter of '05 and it wasn't calibrated correctly, and they
dumped 20 some billion gallons into the Hooch.

On Oct 17, 4:35 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message

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On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
Why dodge the questions, John?

Question answered.- Hide quoted text -

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Uh, there was more than one question, John. In case you're having
trouble, but appear to be willing to answer, I'll break the paragraph
down for you, okay?
The first question was, "why the insults"?
Second question was, "why is it that you do what you want, but when
someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a little
baby"?

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wrote in message

On Oct 16, 4:55 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:





I, not Kevin, fight with you because you are just plain foolish, hence
an easy target. Hell, you can't even answer a question when it's
asked.

No one wanted you back knowing you would just revert back to your old
ways.
The NG has been relatively trouble free since you left. It has started
up
again shortly after you returned.

Now start behaving or find another NG to disrupt. It is that easy.- Hide
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Kiss my ass, little man. I'll do what I want, understand?
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Understand?- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, I fully understand that I'll do what I want, and there is nothing
you can do about it! You constant whining is getting old already.

On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:

From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.

Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power
production.

It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped
considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10
mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some
cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore.
But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within
50-75 ft.

Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines.

Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so
there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of
downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with
drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons
per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous
conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to
explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far).

I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how
to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and
there's very little coming over the spill way.

kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek.

I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad
shape too.

fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last
three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it
won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating
up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats,
predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad
shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering.

On Oct 17, 9:42 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
newsLqdnUOpmOY9cY7anZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcas t.com...
Jack Redington wrote:
HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious
protracted rain soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are
closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool.
At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look
good.
Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring
rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not
really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short.
For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about
6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the
fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present
they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming
in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been
going on since I have been here (about 10 years)
The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it
is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being
where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water.
Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war.
As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are
hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is
what happens when water gets lower them normal.
If you are really interested:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut...
Capt Jack R..
I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of
the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine
life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat
problem.
I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter
rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland
Security bringing in water trucks.
Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of
fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and
Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes.
Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational
lake.........correct?
First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir.
No. Flood Control.
Rob- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.
In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list.

Rob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at
Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little,

Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority,
which is below flood control in priority. You got it right!

Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from
the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized
by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity.

The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide
hydroelectricity and flood control.

Who told you any different?

Rob


Where did you get this information from? It surely isn't from the Army
Corp of Engineers, who operate the system!
See:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/

Nowhere on that site will you see one single reason above all others
for the construction of the lake. There are several reasons, none of
which is paramount over any other.

wrote:
On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:
From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.
Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power
production.
It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped
considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10
mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some
cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore.
But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within
50-75 ft.
Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines.
Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so
there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of
downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with
drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons
per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous
conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to
explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far).
I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how
to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and
there's very little coming over the spill way.

kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek.

I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad
shape too.

fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last
three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it
won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating
up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats,
predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad
shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering.


Actually there are many Georgia Lakes at are doing very well, and are
either very close or even higher than normal summer levels. Many of
these are owned and managed by Georgia Power. They include:

LAKE BURTON, LAKE BLACKSHEAR, BLUE RIDGE LAKE, BARTLETTS FERRY LAKE,
LAKE HARDING, JACKSON LAKE, LAKE OCONEE, LAKE SINCLAIR, TUGALO LAKE,
LAKE YONAH. The Corp. lakes are very low because they have a legal
requirement to provide water downstream.