On Oct 16, 4:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 16, 12:20 pm, Larry wrote:
wrote in news:1192545752.481641.277740
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Could you please do a little research before you make such
ignorant
statements?
http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html

Found this handy webpage to assess drought conditions across the
USA. I can see why the lakes in the South are drying up!

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

It seems that just about every summer, just before fall, they start
worrying about water, and *usually* the fall/winter rains come and
negates those issues. But the last couple of years were different, not
much rain in winter, either. We'll see, I guess. I remember being in
the S.F. bay area and while I missed the rationing, there was a big
effort to get people to minimize water usage. They're trying here, but
outside of the criminal aspects of it, not very many people are doing
much to go above and beyond.

No, this is not the "normal" drought. We have a rain deficit of 30" for
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I didn't say this was normal drought conditions, Reggie.

On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

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CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
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Deep is a relative term, dip****.

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Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
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Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 16, 12:20 pm, Larry wrote:
wrote in news:1192545752.481641.277740
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Could you please do a little research before you make such
ignorant
statements?
http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html
Found this handy webpage to assess drought conditions across the
USA. I can see why the lakes in the South are drying up!
Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.
It seems that just about every summer, just before fall, they start
worrying about water, and *usually* the fall/winter rains come and
negates those issues. But the last couple of years were different, not
much rain in winter, either. We'll see, I guess. I remember being in
the S.F. bay area and while I missed the rationing, there was a big
effort to get people to minimize water usage. They're trying here, but
outside of the criminal aspects of it, not very many people are doing
much to go above and beyond.
No, this is not the "normal" drought. We have a rain deficit of 30" for
this year. If you look at the map this is an Exceptional drought.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn't say this was normal drought conditions, Reggie.

Sorry, I thought you said "usually" and the fall and winter rains
negates these issues. The problem is that we are having substantially
less rain, in the spring, summer, fall and winter. My bad.

On Oct 16, 12:00 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 16, 5:52?am, BAR wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:
So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
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Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

Why is that a bad thing? Isn't just the evolution of humans? We didn't
come out of the caves to build cities and then have to return to the
caves. Progress Chuck, its progressive.

You missed the point, probably my fault.

I see a disconnect between the concepts that "Man couldn't possibly
alter the global environment enough to contribute to global warming"
and
"Man has the right to alter the environment as much as he wants in
order to serve a growing population of human beings."

If you look hard enough into the disconnect you will see the
"somewhere in between" where a lot of us are. Not everyone is a
fundi' you know...I do however think it is hard for folks to see the
middle of the road, or accept that some might be there, from sooo far
off to one side...

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
deep.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Deep is a relative term, dip****.

Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of
your illustrious self.

"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?



Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I
don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir,
which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing
quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking
water.

What's the difference between fish crap and people crap?

Uh, people crap adds materials that didn't originate in the lake? People
crap contains pathogens that sicken people, like hepatitis, e coli,
typhoid fever?

wrote in news:1192552694.711935.110330
@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com:

So do I! You have to go pretty deep with a well here to get
*good*
drinking water.




We have a special political problem in Charleston. The
politicians gave away the farm for a few "jobs" to Nucor Steel,
who pumps 3000 GPM or 4.3M gallons per day out of the aquifer
more than the other few hundred commercial wells. Obviously,
water had to drop....about 24 feet.

There used to be a public drinking well that dated back into the
1700s under the downtown historic district. Water flowed out of
two "filling stations" you could bring your jugs to, 24/7, one at
Calhoun St and Rutledge Ave and the other by the fire station at
Meeting St and Wentworth St. Both wells had to be shut down do
to salt contamination as the seawater filled in from all the
pumping of Nucor and the other big industrial pumpers bled us
dry. (Look at the test well charts on the pdf file.)

Inside the Chamber of Commerce building in downtown Charleston,
there is....now was....a hand dug well that dated back into the
beginning of Charleston. That well is totally dry, today, and
will never come back.

The pumping of tens of millions of gallons goes on, 24/7. Don't
tell me I have to "save water" and not wash my car......insulting
my intelligence.

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

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On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news Jack Redington wrote:
HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious
protracted rain soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are
closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool.
At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look
good.
Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring
rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not
really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short.
For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about
6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the
fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present
they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming
in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been
going on since I have been here (about 10 years)
The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it
is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being
where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water.
Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war.
As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are
hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is
what happens when water gets lower them normal.
If you are really interested:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut...
Capt Jack R..
I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of
the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine
life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat
problem.
I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter
rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland
Security bringing in water trucks.
Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of
fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and
Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes.
Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational
lake.........correct?
First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir.
No. Flood Control.

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From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.


In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list.

Rob

On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
newsLqdnUOpmOY9cY7anZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
Jack Redington wrote:
HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious
protracted rain soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.
Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.
What's the impact on boating?
While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are
closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool.
At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look
good.
Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring
rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not
really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short.
For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about
6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the
fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present
they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming
in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been
going on since I have been here (about 10 years)
The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it
is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being
where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water.
Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war.
As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are
hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is
what happens when water gets lower them normal.
If you are really interested:
http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut...
Capt Jack R..
I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of
the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine
life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat
problem.
I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter
rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland
Security bringing in water trucks.
Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of
fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and
Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes.
Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational
lake.........correct?
First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir.
No. Flood Control.

Rob- Hide quoted text -

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From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.

In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list.

Rob- Hide quoted text -

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Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at
Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, and alot of
times, none. Under normal rain conditions, when downstream waters get
replenished by the rain, instead of relying on Lanier, they don't even
release water, so no production. As to Harry's comment that first and
foremost it's a reservior, that is correct. It's where water is
collected and stored. And yes, flood control is part of the reason for
the lake, but not necessarily the top reason. As a side note, Lanier
wouldn't be in such bad shape if, during this continuing drought, a
big mistake had not been made. The Army Corp installed a new lake
gauge in winter of '05 and it wasn't calibrated correctly, and they
dumped 20 some billion gallons into the Hooch.

On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
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On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

...

CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water
levels are
way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain
soon,
a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought.

Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with
dead
shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded.

What's the impact on boating?

Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him.

Is Lanier a man made lake?

Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least
when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's
deep.

It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep
in
California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are
400'
deep.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Deep is a relative term, dip****.

Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative
term, then how much IS "deep"?

While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't
too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't.

But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was
PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group
harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does
exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby?

Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of
your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why dodge the questions, John?