On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -


Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote:

The trouble with your type,
is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an
adverse affect on the environment

What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". Here's a clue. I grew
up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints"
attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded
stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. When was
the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried
a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you?

Many of the lakes in the southeast are man made and are used for water
supply. There are not that many natural lakes occuring in the
southeast. Most also are used for recreational purposes. All the
lakes I've boated in in NC are man made. Around Raleigh Lake Jordan
and Falls Lake are both man made. As well as Hyco, Mayo, and Wheeler
plus others. On the Roanoke, Philpot, Kerr, and Gaston are all man
made. There has been drought conditions in the southeast above
florida most of the summer and lots of the lakes are down many feet.

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -


Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".



I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote:

The trouble with your type,
is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an
adverse affect on the environment

What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type".

How is it any dumber than you calling people you know nothing about
"socialists", "communists", "liars", etc. By the way, which one IS the
Rush/Hannity talking point of the day.

Here's a clue. I grew
up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints"
attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded
stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people.

You've made many many statements here especially when it comes to
large corporations raping the land of finite resources, and
polluting.
When was
the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried
a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you?

Yes.

On Oct 15, 9:04?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -

Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

Many of the major religions, certainly including Christianity,
generally believe that it is God's ultimate plan to destroy the
universe and gather the true believers into a spiritual haven.
Revelations is a difficult book to get a handle on, but IMO the
general theme is that man will be allowed to screw things up to the
point where *only* a divine intervention can resolve anything. The
ensuing war between "good" and "evil" will result in 1000 years of an
earthly "Kingdom of God", ruled by Jesus, after which physical reality
of any kind will cease to exist but spiritual reality will endure.

But maybe while we're waiting for the Apocolypse and for Jesus to
return and straighten everything out, we ought to take some care of
the world we inherited from out parents and are passing on to our
kids?
There's an important distinction between an ascetic disdain for
materialism and destructive disregard of the environment.

If your religious friend is a Christian, ask him or her whether the
parable of the ten talents charges us to develop as well as preserve
divine gifts.
In that story, the servant judged most successful was the one who not
only preserved his gift but who managed to increase it as well....
(then it just becomes a matter of figuring out whether the natural
environment is/was the divine gift, or whether the nuclear power
plants, freeways, and consumer widget factories are). :-)

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On Oct 15, 9:04?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -

Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about
finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

Many of the major religions, certainly including Christianity,
generally believe that it is God's ultimate plan to destroy the
universe and gather the true believers into a spiritual haven.
Revelations is a difficult book to get a handle on, but IMO the
general theme is that man will be allowed to screw things up to the
point where *only* a divine intervention can resolve anything. The
ensuing war between "good" and "evil" will result in 1000 years of an
earthly "Kingdom of God", ruled by Jesus, after which physical reality
of any kind will cease to exist but spiritual reality will endure.

But maybe while we're waiting for the Apocolypse and for Jesus to
return and straighten everything out, we ought to take some care of
the world we inherited from out parents and are passing on to our
kids?
There's an important distinction between an ascetic disdain for
materialism and destructive disregard of the environment.

If your religious friend is a Christian,

Oh yeah. She works for a megachurch, and believes the whole deal.


ask him or her whether the
parable of the ten talents charges us to develop as well as preserve
divine gifts.
In that story, the servant judged most successful was the one who not
only preserved his gift but who managed to increase it as well....
(then it just becomes a matter of figuring out whether the natural
environment is/was the divine gift, or whether the nuclear power
plants, freeways, and consumer widget factories are). :-)

I'll mention this to her. She's a believer, but not the type that's
disconnected her brain (yet).

On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -

Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes
care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story.

Guy sitting on a roof after a flood. Boat comes by and tries to save
him, the man refuses, insisting God would come and save him. Later a
chopper comes by and the man turns them down insisting that God will
come and save him. The man dies and goes to heaven and asks God why he
had not come to save him, God answeres, "I sent a boat and a chopper
what more do you want?"

On Oct 15, 12:30 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote:

On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote:

The trouble with your type,
is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an
adverse affect on the environment

What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type".

How is it any dumber than you calling people you know nothing about
"socialists", "communists", "liars", etc. By the way, which one IS the
Rush/Hannity talking point of the day.

I know as much about my public officials as anyone here, I am forced
to make my decisions about public officials based on their limited
news conferences and debates. I am supposed to form an opinion about
them, it is my duty as an American, you, not of me, nor would you be
able to...

Here's a clue. I grew

up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints"
attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded
stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people.

You've made many many statements here especially when it comes to
large corporations raping the land of finite resources, and
polluting.

Uh, no....

When was

the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried
a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you?

Yes.

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On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -

Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about
finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes
care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story.


If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone
like the person I mentioned?

On Oct 15, 1:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:

So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order
to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text -

Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the
possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course
of nature".

I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about
finite
resources because god will take care of everything.

If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes
care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story.

If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone
like the person I mentioned?- Hide quoted text -

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No, because I beleive you will make it up as you go along to support
your own point of view...