On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:15:22 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

so? charging what the market will take is a time honored capitalist
tradition. and until they come up with another source of energy,
thats what 'cha got.

Not acceptable when the commodity is the blood that keeps our country alive.

Very short sighted thinking and all too typical of what passes for
analysis in the news media.

Oil companies need to replace what they sell, otherwise they run out
somewhere down the road, just like your car when it runs out.

Where does this replacement oil come from? All of the major companies
are discovering less than they sell. They are replacing it by buying
proven reserves from other companies. How long can that last? Even
now it is a difficult game.

Every single gallon of newly discovered oil will cost more to find and
produce than the year before. Less profit = less money for
exploration and development of new reserves.

The very best way to drive the price of oil right through the
stratosphere is to reduce profits now, and reduce the funding and
incentives for exploration.

If that happens, and it may, best thing to do is to start up a sailing
school and buy a few old cargo schooners. (on topic)

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Profit MARGIN. Jesus Christ, can't anybody ****ing READ anymore?

Here's an illustration for all you retards, even though I'm sure most of
you STILL won't get it:

Twinkies aren't gas. There's very little margin at retail. The profits
are clearly going to the Exxon and Chevron, not the retailer.

You feel free come up with an analogy that would work in the real world
instead of your sickeningly sweet twinkie world.

Then maybe us retards would understand your twinkie little world.

jps

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"Tamaroak" wrote in message
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More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever
and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And
we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these
people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to
fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations
are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money
hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying
them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned
near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints
such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent
restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American
car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing
the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their
problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their
latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an
Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an
Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor?

I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria.


I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket.

The Chrysler is ugly.

$18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd
rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home
write off.

Do you whistle Led Zepplin tunes while drinking gas at the stop light?

jps

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:34:02 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

My truck has over 100k and the town car is approaching 100k - that
little escort i bought to keep the gas milage down is over 100k - 115k
in fact.

100k is nothing nowadays.

That's true if you buy the right vehicle. My youngest son is now
driving the Camry that I bought new in 1992. It is at almost 200K
miles and still going strong in NYC traffic and roads. My wife's
Honda Accord is over 100K miles and still runs like new.

On the other hand our 1991 Dodge Caravan had trim falling off of it by
50,000 miles, 3 transmissions, all new brakes and a radiator by
70,000. It was getting too unreliable to keep, and it will be a long
time before we buy another Chrysler product. I'd rather spend my
money on boats. (on topic)

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:27:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

But I can assure you that in their latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Let's talk again after 100,000 miles.

I'll be out of it before 40,000 miles. ;-)

see - thats what i don't understand. you dont gain anything by
leasing a vehicle for a stated length of time.



I gain a new car every 3-3 1/2 years. If I bought the car, but financed it,
I'd barely be even in 3 years. If I paid cash, and traded it, I'd lose $25k
in depreciation in that time period.


we ordinarily keep our cars for at least 100k if not more than that -
i think the grand marquis my wife had before the town car had 140k on
it when we traded it in.

You're smarter than me. But I've got a soft spot for new cars. Your way is
of course the smartest way to own a car.

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I've had one hell of a time justifying the expense of fuel and,
consequently, over the last year our boat has been out very little.

Now I come to find that Exxon, Chevron and Halliburton have made
more money this past year than at any time in history and our rate
of savings hasn't been this low since 1933.

Exxon's profit margin (net income divided by revenue) is 8.4%:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM&annual

Knight-Ridder's profit margin is 10.8%:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=KRI&annual

Where is your rant against The Obscene Profits Of Big Media?

A 10.8% profit is obscene?

How about 27% for Exxon Mobil (this following a 75% increase in 2005
3rd quarter) and 51% for ConocoPhillips?

Illiterate asshole,


See ya..............PLONK


Yep, crawl back up your mother's scabaceous infected ****. You can stay
warm there without having to buy fuel from Exxon.

This gut is off the chart. I can't remember the last time I sent an abuse
complaint to an ISP...


Dan


He never had a legitimate point to make. His only resort was to rely on
insults and flaming with his replies, tools only the desperate, ill
informed/ignorant and uneducated fall back on. Could he have met all 3
categories?

And jimh a faggot treehugger? Whoooaaaa baby!

jps

"jps" wrote in message
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says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
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In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than
ever
and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever.
And
we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these
people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to
fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations
are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our
currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money
hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying
them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and
services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned
near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to
countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and
corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that
paints
such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent
restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are
over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an
American
car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing
the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their
problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their
latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an
all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time
(an
Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word:
go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever
you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an
Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor?

I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria.


I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of
pocket.

The Chrysler is ugly.

$18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd
rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home
write off.

Name me a single car with an MSRP over $40k that you could drive for less
than $18,500 over 39 months. Don't forget to include tax!





Do you whistle Led Zepplin tunes while drinking gas at the stop light?

It's actually pretty good on gas. Better than the G35.

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jps wrote in
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in
:

You cannot deny them a profit, but it is obvious the oil company's
are fleecing us.

Knight-Ridder has a higher profit margin than Exxon-Mobil. Is "Big
Media" fleecing us too? And if so, where are your protestations
against them?

One is a voluntary purchase, the other is as close to mandatory and
one could come.

Capiche?

The guy you voted for in 2000 said that the internal combustion engine is
the greatest threat to mankind, and you're calling the purchase of its
lifeblood "mandatory"? Reverend Gore will be quite disappointed that you
haven't converted your home to solar and your car to ethanol or vegetable
oil. After all, the enviro-loonies ARE right, right? That alternative
energy sources are viable, practical and cost-efficient? Or is it all
just a load of socialist lies designed to buttress the politics of envy?

Your statement answers that last question definitively. Thank-you.

And I suppose we'd be better off if we hadn't invented the gas engine,
after all, the steam engine did just as well, right?

That being the case, we should put all our investment in finding more
expensive methods of sucking oil from the earth until we've run out of
ways to do it.

Then we can shift our attention to alternatives, right? Uhhhhh....

So, your extremist retort is, assuming that anyone not aligned with your
near-sighted program is a faggot treehugger, our answer must be to stop
using petroleum products tomorrow.... no, not soon enough... tonight!!!!
Yeah, right.

The world economy would fail if the US suddenly stopped using petroleum
based products, your (much smarter) nemesis Al Gore knows that.

The point you don't want to admit, the one that I'm trying to drive
home, is that we need to make a bigger commitment to finding
alternatives to fossil-based fuels or find and implement methods of
using it more efficiently. With the current administration in control,
that ain't gonna happen. They're so deeply in the pocket of big energy
and corporate influence peddlers that they'd have to successfully fake
their own deaths to break the stranglehold.

There's no magic bullet but incremental investments in research and
development of energy technology can certainly help stem the incredible
dependence we have on petroleum.

I expect you consider yourself a conservative. Why is it that you
people preach anything but conservatism and still assume it's
conservative thinking?

jps

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says...
jps wrote in
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In article ,
says...

Profit MARGIN. Jesus Christ, can't anybody ****ing READ anymore?

Here's an illustration for all you retards, even though I'm sure most
of you STILL won't get it:

Twinkies aren't gas. There's very little margin at retail.

So you admit the attacks on Wal-Mart are unjustifiable? Thanks again.

Thanks for nothing. Walmart is in a race to the bottom, taking
advantage of cheap labor. At some point the balance starts to tip and
the traditional Walmart customer and employee can't afford to shop there
cause wages in China are going up.

You short-sighted idiots never cease to amaze me. Walmart's comeuppance
is already in motion.

The
profits are clearly going to the Exxon and Chevron, not the retailer.

Exxon receives less profit from the sale of a gallon of gas than
government gets in taxes.

And your point is? Does that somehow mitigate the FACT that Chevron and
Exxon are enjoying their largest profits in the history of their
companies?

You deaf, blind or both?

Exxon receives less profit from the sale of a gallon of gas than Knight-
Ridder receives from the sale of a Sunday paper. And while 100% of the
gas you buy is functional, half the "news"paper is advertisements for
which Knight-Ridder received additional revenue.

Boy, your rationalizations come directly from Willie Wonka's chocolate
factory.

More to the point, I think they're emerging from your chocolate factory.

jps

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:20:21 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

your first mistake was buying a dodge. that was your second mistake
too. :)

We more or less inherited it, got a few good years, and then it fell
apart. Good design, poorly built.