shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but he
finds he has to.

shen, every last country signatory to the radio treaty of 1920 (1919?)
required
their radio stations to broadcast their call sign, frequency and city every
ten
minutes they were on the air. This was done specifically as an aid to
navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air.

recreational boats often did not have any such equipment until into the
1970's,
1980's and in some cases 1990's. Lots of recreational vessels were lost due
to
hitting rocks in reduced visability conditions until lorans and later gps's
became common. Stories of vessels lost such were common in the boating
magazines until the late 1980's.

All well and good. However there were many areas of the world, where the
coverage for RDF was poor and not all charts carried the exact locations of
all
transmitters.
To all this, add the corrections needed for using stations, inland, with
great
distance, and, the skill of the operator and proper alignment of equipment
and
you'd find any number of limitations associated with it's use.
I.e., it wasn't a cure-all, just another aid that had to be used with
caution.
By the 70's, a high percentage of recreational boaters in the US were
beginning
to use Loran, as it didn't generally require the skill that RDF did.

Shen

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 15:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but
he
finds he has to.


G Actually, I'm pointing out the errors in your "general" statement regarding
RDF and the overall usage of it by those in the marine environment.
For the most part, most ships only used signals from RDF stations on the coast
that were designed for marine use, as the others required too much in the way
of corrections to be reliable other than as a possible indication to help
correct their DR.
I'd like to hear your explaination of fixes using sounds/smells from shore and
fathom curves.... the above stuff, anyone can get from some light reading.

Shen

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

attaboy, schlackoff. attaboy.

was too stupid a statement for anybody to
make, even for you, but no.... you did say..... "If you know where you
are,
you
aren't lost."

well, IF you have ***reference*** points THEN you know where your are, and
therefore are NOT lost. if on the other hand you do not have reference
points,
then you are lost.

According to Jox, if you can see the sun (a known ***reference*** point)
then you know where you are and are not lost.

Steve

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.

shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read
again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but
he
finds he has to.


G Actually, I'm pointing out the errors in your "general" statement
regarding
RDF and the overall usage of it by those in the marine environment.
For the most part, most ships only used signals from RDF stations on the
coast
that were designed for marine use, as the others required too much in the way
of corrections to be reliable other than as a possible indication to help
correct their DR.
I'd like to hear your explaination of fixes using sounds/smells from shore
and
fathom curves.... the above stuff, anyone can get from some light reading.

Shen

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 17:27 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance
flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.


Jax, specifically, that's terryific. Problem is that all those inland radio
stations have a problem with "coastal refraction" which makes their use
doubtful as regards accuracy.
Course, there were a number of other possible errors also, which, once again,
removed RDF from the cure-all category, especially for a Novice, such as
yourself.

Shen

of course,shen, *your* grandfather was an idiot. Mine was not.

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the
air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance
flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.


Jax, specifically, that's terryific. Problem is that all those inland radio
stations have a problem with "coastal refraction" which makes their use
doubtful as regards accuracy.
Course, there were a number of other possible errors also, which, once again,
removed RDF from the cure-all category, especially for a Novice, such as
yourself.

Shen

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 19:29 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

of course,shen, *your* grandfather was an idiot. Mine was not.

Haven't got a clue how that bit of nonsense relates, other than it's a "jaxism"
for "I don't have an intelligent answer".
S'ok jax we don't expect answers from you, much less intelligent or
knowledgeable ones .... RDF on boats was probably before your time and
undoubtably beyond your abilities.

Shen

Haven't got a clue

I don't have an intelligent answer

Shen

we are aware of that.

On 09 Aug 2004 00:23:57 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will
realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be
used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve