shen, think of it this way. what would *you* do IF 25% of ALL commercial
aircraft crashed before making it 20 years?

People have used basic "DR" to get from point A to B safely for
centuries,

no they have not used it "safely". a full 25% of ALL commercial ships in
the
final 50 years of sail powered shipping -- presumably the years of greatest
knowledge and skills in DR) sank before being taken out of service due to
age
(about 20 years usage)


Soooo, what your saying is that 75% of sailing vessels had full careers. The
other 25% may have made only one voyage or thousands of voyages before
sinking
or grounding prior to their 20 year demise.
Depending on how you manipulate the statistics, we can probably make this
sound
bad OR good.

Shen

When you learn what "pilotage" is, come on back and we'll discuss it.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, you be stew ped if you believe you can increase the accuracy of
DR just by changing the practise to that of pilotage, while leaving the old
name intact.

just admit it, you did not know the difference prior.


As for "DR" .... define it and use it any way you want, but don't try
and tell me *how* it should be defined and/or used or can be used, as
you don't have the training, experience, knowledge, background,
etc.,etc., to do so.


no master mariner -- as you proclaim yourself to be -- confuses DR with
pilotage. It is the same as claiming to be a 1,000,000 mile trucker and
confuse a two-speed axel with an overdrive transmission.


ROFL Jax, you must be really hard up for an argument.
When you get past some simplistic definition you've read somewhere and
get some experience in the "doing", come on back and we'll talk.

otn

Then we will start discussing it 30 years ago.

dumb try, over the knee. dumb.

From: otnmbrd
Date: 8/7/2004 2:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: . net

When you learn what "pilotage" is, come on back and we'll discuss it.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, you be stew ped if you believe you can increase the accuracy
of
DR just by changing the practise to that of pilotage, while leaving the old
name intact.

just admit it, you did not know the difference prior.


As for "DR" .... define it and use it any way you want, but don't try
and tell me *how* it should be defined and/or used or can be used, as
you don't have the training, experience, knowledge, background,
etc.,etc., to do so.


no master mariner -- as you proclaim yourself to be -- confuses DR with
pilotage. It is the same as claiming to be a 1,000,000 mile trucker and
confuse a two-speed axel with an overdrive transmission.


ROFL Jax, you must be really hard up for an argument.
When you get past some simplistic definition you've read somewhere and
get some experience in the "doing", come on back and we'll talk.

otn

kriste almighty, gene, learn to read your own cites. what you quoted is not
even remotely associated with what you claim. not even close.

No, Jax, that is the word I meant to use. It means having the power to
produce
the desired result. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=efficacy

Last I checked, using vector quantities was not fuzzy science...

it is if you use fuzzy data. duh.

the one that you said ded reckoning can't be used for
IFR.... ROFLMAO.... yep, I remember

DR and IFR are mutually exclusive terms. duh.

was too stupid a statement for anybody to
make, even for you, but no.... you did say..... "If you know where you are,
you
aren't lost."

well, IF you have ***reference*** points THEN you know where your are, and
therefore are NOT lost. if on the other hand you do not have reference points,
then you are lost.

gene, maybe you don't know what the word "reference" means?

BG I'm still trying to get you to tell us what you're talking about.
Piloting or pilotage, and if pilotage, are you talking a piloting or fees?

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
Then we will start discussing it 30 years ago.

dumb try, over the knee. dumb.


From: otnmbrd
Date: 8/7/2004 2:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: . net

When you learn what "pilotage" is, come on back and we'll discuss it.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:

over the knee, you be stew ped if you believe you can increase the accuracy

of

DR just by changing the practise to that of pilotage, while leaving the old
name intact.

just admit it, you did not know the difference prior.



As for "DR" .... define it and use it any way you want, but don't try
and tell me *how* it should be defined and/or used or can be used, as
you don't have the training, experience, knowledge, background,
etc.,etc., to do so.


no master mariner -- as you proclaim yourself to be -- confuses DR with
pilotage. It is the same as claiming to be a 1,000,000 mile trucker and
confuse a two-speed axel with an overdrive transmission.


ROFL Jax, you must be really hard up for an argument.
When you get past some simplistic definition you've read somewhere and
get some experience in the "doing", come on back and we'll talk.

otn

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 11:03 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, think of it this way. what would *you* do IF 25% of ALL commercial
aircraft crashed before making it 20 years?


If it was back in the teens or twenties, I'd probably create the FAA.
How'd yer planes life span look back then?

Shen

back in the 1920's, ships (and aircraft, at least some of them) had RDF,
specifically to avoid the dangers of DRing.

shen, think of it this way. what would *you* do IF 25% of ALL commercial
aircraft crashed before making it 20 years?


If it was back in the teens or twenties, I'd probably create the FAA.
How'd yer planes life span look back then?

Shen