In article , Abdelkarim Benoit Evans wrote:

This is what y'all get for not watching the CROSSPOSTING...

Sheesh


In article ,
"plantsman" wrote:

What kind of religion
forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A
deadly one!

To help you find the correct answer to your question, you might try
looking up the following words in any good dictionary or encycopedia:

prime, lauds, matins, tierce, sext, none, vespers, compline

Hint: they are the names of the daily prayer times in the Christian
Chruch and are still observed in convents and monasteries. With the
addition of the daily Mass, they add up to NINE (not just five) daily
offices.

In the Anglican Church, they have been reduced for lay people to three
recommended offices: Morning Prayer (Matins), Evening Prayer (Vespers
or Evensong) and private nighttime prayer before bed (Compline).

These offices are related to the Jewish custom, as found in Psalm 119:

"Seven times a day do I praise thee."

To which is added the nighttime office on the basis of "in the middle of
the night will I rise to give thanks unto thee", found in the same
psalm. That accounts for the eight hours of the Christian Divine Office
to which the Mass is added, for a total of nine.

It looks like pious Christians and pious Jews are praying even more
often than pious Muslims.

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Christopher Robin wrote in message



Why don't they use beepers or some other electronic device?

Don....Don...Don....when will you learn? Like most other newcomers, these
Islamic people wanna be real Americans. That means you get to make as much
noise as your want (because it's "freedom of expression"), as much garbage
as you want, matter of fact, as much of ANYTHING as you want, regardless of
how it affects your neighbors. It's our god-given right to start our
lawnmowers at 7:00 AM, or warm the car up for an hour. In May.


I used to have African neighbors that ran around buck-nekkid a lot and always
had the windows (even in the dead of Houston's summer heat!) and blinds open.
It made life really interesting especially when they started yelling in their
native language which tends to be loud and very animated even in normal
conversation.

The oldest son is a resident doctor that is going to be a heart-surgeon.
The next son played football for Navy and had an academic scholarship as well.
The youngest daughter is in high school and has goals to be a neuro-surgeon.
Another son is in Baylor up in Waco right now, he wants to be a businessman.
And the wild one (oldest daughter) whom daddy caught in the sack with her
boyfriend once upon a time and chased her around the block nekkid
has caught religious fervor (Christian) and is actually considering being a
nun.

The parents are both nurses. The mother looked pretty good nekkid.
Gramma wasn't too hot though but she was a lot of fun. She used
to go through the neighborhood with a large butcher knife early in the
morning and slice open people's garbage bags and recycle soda cans.
She always tied them back shut. The police keep getting lots of phone
calls from freaked out neighbors. I used to drive her to the recycle center.
And she would purchase cloth from a cloth store to make dresses and clothes.
Folks used to stare at us a lot. She was 250 lbs (at least) and coal black
and always glistening with sweat. She wore home made TuTu like dresses
with unimaginable colors and patterns. She always wore a turban of sorts.
And she would lift her skirt and sort of dance/run/flitter from one place to
another. She was very fluid and delicate for a woman of her scale. Oh yeah
she dusted herself and her very large bosom (size 52 by my estimate) with
home made "heart remedy". When people stared she used to grab my arm
and proudly say "This is my fiancé! We are getting married soon!" and kiss my
cheek.

Gramma went back to Ghana and I actually miss the old gal. I never liked the
father too much. He was a *******. But he certainly deserves some credit for
the fine children that he raised.

LOL... no joke.

Life in America.....

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Phaedrine" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to
do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy,
trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so,
but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in
the approach.

Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted
prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But,
this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-)

By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem?


A little of ACDC's 'Back in Black' would take care of the problem, played
on loudspeakers and with oh say-- 600 watt amplifiers at the same time
as the prayer calls.

Doug, I know that you are smart enough to check for cross-posting?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia?

That's my point... how long do you think they would last?

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia?

That's my point... how long do you think they would last?

And that's my point -- they'd never get there in the first place.

In article ,
John H wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote:

In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have
something against boats, do you?

Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile.

We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets
and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with
b'asskisser is hard enough.

John H

LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your
harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post......

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail
around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with
aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those
unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a
plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to
Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive
breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out
either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well
watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who
was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the
engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great
sail.

Phae

..

In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote:


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia?

That's my point... how long do you think they would last?

Not long but I certainly wouldn't feel better becoming more like them over
here.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:45:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Phaedrine" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to
do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy,
trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so,
but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in
the approach.

Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted
prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But,
this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-)

By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem?


If Muslims are allowed to use loudspeakers, shouldn't the Mexicans on the corner
be allowed to blast the "salsa" on their systems at midnight? I mean, if it's a
cultural thing and all.

PS. Doug, did I see your pretty face in a discussion of Nikon lenses?
John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:19 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote:

In article ,
John H wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote:

In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have
something against boats, do you?

Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile.

We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets
and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with
b'asskisser is hard enough.

John H

LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your
harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post......

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail
around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with
aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those
unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a
plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to
Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive
breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out
either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well
watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who
was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the
engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great
sail.

Phae

.
If you'd paid attention to your daddy, you wouldn't have been pregnant and would
have had a much better time!

Harmony!? You haven't spent much time in rec.boats, have you? There is very
little harmony gets tossed around here. I can't believe this thread has lasted
as long as it has without a bunch of horrid name calling.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!