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Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers

By Associated Press

April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT

HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use
loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some
of their mostly white, Christian neighbors.

They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah
Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim
call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a
City Council hearing Tuesday.

Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus
Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she
said.

Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is
likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit.

Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m.
They said the call to prayer would be less noisy.

"It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said
Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman.
Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press


Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and
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Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers

By Associated Press

April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT

HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use
loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some
of their mostly white, Christian neighbors.

They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah
Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim
call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of
the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a
City Council hearing Tuesday.

Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus
Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she
said.

Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is
likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit.

Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m.
They said the call to prayer would be less noisy.

"It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said
Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman.
Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press


Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and
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"There are five mosques in Hamtramck, and three others just over the
border in Detroit."

Sounds like they've already taken over greater Detroit. I'm sure it will
be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other
countries? Loud and unavoidable with all of that singing/wavering/howling
sounds of Arabic. I wouldn't want to hear it any time of the day. At least
you don't have to answer the door when the Jehovah's Witnesses or the
Mormons show up. You wouldn't be able to escape the Muslims in like manner.
Church bells generally sound pleasant to most people. What kind of religion
forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A
deadly one!

David S.

"plantsman" wrote in message

..... I'm sure it will
be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other
countries?

I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and
working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing
unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in
Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM.

I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the
loudspeakers.

In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

"plantsman" wrote in message

..... I'm sure it will
be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other
countries?

I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and
working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing
unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in
Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM.

I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the
loudspeakers.


Their city council (if they pass this) might as well start packing now.

"Phaedrine" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

"plantsman" wrote in message

..... I'm sure it will
be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in
other
countries?

I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living
and
working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing
unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I
lived in
Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM.

I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of
the
loudspeakers.


Their city council (if they pass this) might as well start packing now.

If the town's anything like here, you need a permit to use sound
reinforcement equipment of a certain size, outdoors at ANY time of day,
unless it involves the sirens/horns on an emergency vehicle. The council
needs to either look further into existing laws, or move real quick and
change the ones they have so "no permit, no loudspeakers".

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"plantsman" wrote in message

..... I'm sure it will
be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other
countries?

I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and
working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing
unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in
Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM.

I recall arriving in Saudi Arabia years late at night. I got to bed
about 3 AM in the barracks where I was to live for the next few
months... At about 5:30 the screaming started. I knew prayer calls
happened there, but I was not prepared to hear it for the first time
through an open window from a mosgue across the street. I shot up
from bed... "What the F&#! is that!?!?! JESUS CHRIST!!"

My room mate woke up laughing at me. "*He* has nothing to do with it.
*That* is what we call a 'Prayer Raid Siren.' Welcome to
Saudi...dude."

I recall, maybe two or three times in the several months I was in the
mideast, where a prayer call didn't sounds so bad. But someone with a
good sounding voice doing the call was definitely the exception, not
the rule.

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.

Those of us in rec.boats should go back to the jet ski issue (at least
that political discussion was on topic). When it was brought to your
attention that jet skis did not exceed noise limits, and were in fact
quieter that many other powerboats, how many of you said something
like... "It isn't the volume... Jet Skis make an irritating obnoxious
noise that just grates on people...." ???

Welcome back to the same argument.

I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the
loudspeakers.

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message

Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi?

Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia?

That's my point... how long do you think they would last?

In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote:

In article ,
(Curtis CCR) wrote:

I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious
reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques
should be allowed to have prayer calls.


I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are
allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be
allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that
what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this
list!)

Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have
something against boats, do you?

We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets
and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with
b'asskisser is hard enough.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!