On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:34:03 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:05:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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It's a defining event for the future of our country. ...

Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event.
The
administration would have us believe that the event defines the future
indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse.

People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's
worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor
certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other
concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of
life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years
immediately following Pearl Harbor.



I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like
us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the
Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly.
Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers.


Doug, are not the Democrats themselves continuously complaining about
the insufficiency of money for homeland defense? Hasn't Harry himself
used our lack of searching every container from every container ship
as proof that Bush is falling down on the homeland security issue?
Isn't the hardest part of this whole terrorist battle the fact that we
*can't* see or define them clearly?

John H

Searching contrainer ships is a lot different from carving away at the
Constitutional rights of citizens, but I wouldn't expect a d.f. like you
to appreciate the difference.

And I can't believe you have graced my post with a response. I am
truly honored, Harry. Keep in mind, though, that you should spread the
wealth, so to speak. Jealousy is easily come by.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 22:55:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


You made the pejorative comment about the 'atmosphere of fear' which
we were to accept as normal. My point was that you contradict yourself
by making such a comment and then complaining that we aren't doing
enough to protect ourselves (in *any* way, shape, or form).

John H

John, the suits are using fear to shrink peoples' rights. That's completely
different from beefing up security for a mode of transportation which has
been the victim of almost total neglect. One is common sense. The other is
pandering to the worst elements in the legal community.

If we have something to fear, then measures should be taken to combat
that which is fearsome. The method of combat may be argumentative, but
the basis either exists or it doesn't.

We can't stop the tons of drugs that enter this country, yet you would
expect that we could find an item the size of a suitcase through
increased port security. If we don't find and stop the item overseas,
or keep it from being produced in the first place, then we will not
find it in a container.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:36:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser)
wrote:

03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) --

President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended
commercials
using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including
wreckage
of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about
public
policy and the war on terror.

Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a word
about your spelling and grammar.

Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during
a
time when panic could have reigned supreme.

Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according
to
Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed
or
mutilated.

Which is worse?

John H

Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why
shouldn't
Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from
Iraq?

That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail.

jps

Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he
voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them.

You're talking about images of the World Trade Center?

Uh, the "job that was done" in that case was American-trained Saudis
flew American planes into a symbol of American capitalism.

I'm hoping Bush didn't arrange that just as I'm certain you hope that
Kerry didn't arrange for dead and wounded kids to come back from Iraq.

jps


Herring will leave no stone unturned in his flaccid attempts to
rationalize the behavior of George W. Bush, probably the worst president
in the history of the United States.

Bush and his cohorts have done more to harm this country than the 9-11
terrorists. He's failed to capture any significant number of terrorists,
he's lied about his reasons to invade Iraq, he's sold the future of our
children and grandchildren down the river, he's poisoned the
environment, he's divided Americans along a half-dozen fault lines, he's
done nothing to alleviate the misery of the long-term unemployed, he's
allowed our infrastructure to deteriorate, and the list goes on and on
and on.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter foolw
that they are.

And here I've been singing your praises and telling John Smith that
most people aren't name-callers.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Krause, bb, basskisser and jps cannot reply to anyone with opposing view
without insulting them first. You generally don't see that on the other
side of the fence.

I will admit that I have sunk to their level a couple of times, but only
after being insulted several time in the thread.

It is indeed a shame that they cannot carry on a civil discussion without
having to resort to those childish name calling.

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:42:43 -0500, Jim-- wrote:


It is a vast right wing conspiracy. We have secret meetings every night.
We even have a secret handshake and special decoder rings.

I do not believe I have every read a conservative here stating he wished
to kill Clinton. I have, however, read about wishes to kill Bush by a
couple of loony lefties here, including the clown prince Krause.

BTW: Do you guys see black helicopters following you at night?

I can name many democracies overthrown from the right. Name *one*
overthrown from the left.

Jim-- wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:36:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser)
wrote:

03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) --

President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended
commercials
using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including
wreckage
of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about
public
policy and the war on terror.

Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a word
about your spelling and grammar.

Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during
a
time when panic could have reigned supreme.

Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according
to
Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed
or
mutilated.

Which is worse?

John H

Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why
shouldn't
Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from
Iraq?

That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail.

jps

Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he
voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them.

You're talking about images of the World Trade Center?

Uh, the "job that was done" in that case was American-trained Saudis
flew American planes into a symbol of American capitalism.

I'm hoping Bush didn't arrange that just as I'm certain you hope that
Kerry didn't arrange for dead and wounded kids to come back from Iraq.

jps


Herring will leave no stone unturned in his flaccid attempts to
rationalize the behavior of George W. Bush, probably the worst president
in the history of the United States.

Bush and his cohorts have done more to harm this country than the 9-11
terrorists. He's failed to capture any significant number of terrorists,
he's lied about his reasons to invade Iraq, he's sold the future of our
children and grandchildren down the river, he's poisoned the
environment, he's divided Americans along a half-dozen fault lines, he's
done nothing to alleviate the misery of the long-term unemployed, he's
allowed our infrastructure to deteriorate, and the list goes on and on
and on.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter foolw
that they are.

And here I've been singing your praises and telling John Smith that
most people aren't name-callers.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Krause, bb, basskisser and jps cannot reply to anyone with opposing view
without insulting them first. You generally don't see that on the other
side of the fence.

I will admit that I have sunk to their level a couple of times, but only
after being insulted several time in the thread.

It is indeed a shame that they cannot carry on a civil discussion without
having to resort to those childish name calling.



You're just right-wing trash, Dennis, and therefore not worth a civil
discussion. I've posted any number of times I am NOT interested in
"debates" or lengthy "discussions" with the right-wing trash here.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim-- wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:36:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote:

In article ,
jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser)
wrote:

03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) --

President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended
commercials
using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including
wreckage
of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about
public
policy and the war on terror.

Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a
word
about your spelling and grammar.

Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country
during
a
time when panic could have reigned supreme.

Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which,
according
to
Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped,
killed
or
mutilated.

Which is worse?

John H

Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why
shouldn't
Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from
Iraq?

That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail.

jps

Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like
he
voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them.

You're talking about images of the World Trade Center?

Uh, the "job that was done" in that case was American-trained Saudis
flew American planes into a symbol of American capitalism.

I'm hoping Bush didn't arrange that just as I'm certain you hope
that
Kerry didn't arrange for dead and wounded kids to come back from
Iraq.

jps


Herring will leave no stone unturned in his flaccid attempts to
rationalize the behavior of George W. Bush, probably the worst
president
in the history of the United States.

Bush and his cohorts have done more to harm this country than the 9-11
terrorists. He's failed to capture any significant number of
terrorists,
he's lied about his reasons to invade Iraq, he's sold the future of
our
children and grandchildren down the river, he's poisoned the
environment, he's divided Americans along a half-dozen fault lines,
he's
done nothing to alleviate the misery of the long-term unemployed, he's
allowed our infrastructure to deteriorate, and the list goes on and on
and on.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter
foolw
that they are.

And here I've been singing your praises and telling John Smith that
most people aren't name-callers.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Krause, bb, basskisser and jps cannot reply to anyone with opposing view
without insulting them first. You generally don't see that on the other
side of the fence.

I will admit that I have sunk to their level a couple of times, but only
after being insulted several time in the thread.

It is indeed a shame that they cannot carry on a civil discussion
without
having to resort to those childish name calling.



You're just right-wing trash, Dennis, and therefore not worth a civil
discussion. I've posted any number of times I am NOT interested in
"debates" or lengthy "discussions" with the right-wing trash here.

Thanks for proving my point Harry.

Have a nice night.

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:42:43 -0500, Jim-- wrote:


It is a vast right wing conspiracy. We have secret meetings every
night.
We even have a secret handshake and special decoder rings.

I do not believe I have every read a conservative here stating he wished
to kill Clinton. I have, however, read about wishes to kill Bush by a
couple of loony lefties here, including the clown prince Krause.

BTW: Do you guys see black helicopters following you at night?

I can name many democracies overthrown from the right. Name *one*
overthrown from the left.


Attempted and successful government takeovers by the left:

1923: Spain
1926: Italy
1926: Poland
1933: Germany
1933: Uruguay
1933: Austria
1934: Estonia
1934: Latvia
1935: Ecuador
1936: Greece
1936: Spain
1938: Czechoslovakia
1940: Belgium, Denmark, France, Netherlands, Norway
1943: Argentina
1947: Ecuador
1948: Venezuela
1948: Czechoslovakia
1962: Burma
1963: Ecuador
1966: Argentina
1964: Brazil
1967: Greece
1968: Peru
1972: Ecuador
1972: Philippines
1973: Uruguay
1973: Chile
1975: India
1976: Argentina
1987: Zimbabwe
1999: Pakistan

Will that do?

Jim-- wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim-- wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:36:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote:

In article ,
jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...
On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser)
wrote:

03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) --

President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended
commercials
using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including
wreckage
of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about
public
policy and the war on terror.

Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a
word
about your spelling and grammar.

Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country
during
a
time when panic could have reigned supreme.

Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which,
according
to
Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped,
killed
or
mutilated.

Which is worse?

John H

Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why
shouldn't
Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from
Iraq?

That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail.

jps

Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like
he
voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them.

You're talking about images of the World Trade Center?

Uh, the "job that was done" in that case was American-trained Saudis
flew American planes into a symbol of American capitalism.

I'm hoping Bush didn't arrange that just as I'm certain you hope
that
Kerry didn't arrange for dead and wounded kids to come back from
Iraq.

jps


Herring will leave no stone unturned in his flaccid attempts to
rationalize the behavior of George W. Bush, probably the worst
president
in the history of the United States.

Bush and his cohorts have done more to harm this country than the 9-11
terrorists. He's failed to capture any significant number of
terrorists,
he's lied about his reasons to invade Iraq, he's sold the future of
our
children and grandchildren down the river, he's poisoned the
environment, he's divided Americans along a half-dozen fault lines,
he's
done nothing to alleviate the misery of the long-term unemployed, he's
allowed our infrastructure to deteriorate, and the list goes on and on
and on.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter
foolw
that they are.

And here I've been singing your praises and telling John Smith that
most people aren't name-callers.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Krause, bb, basskisser and jps cannot reply to anyone with opposing view
without insulting them first. You generally don't see that on the other
side of the fence.

I will admit that I have sunk to their level a couple of times, but only
after being insulted several time in the thread.

It is indeed a shame that they cannot carry on a civil discussion
without
having to resort to those childish name calling.



You're just right-wing trash, Dennis, and therefore not worth a civil
discussion. I've posted any number of times I am NOT interested in
"debates" or lengthy "discussions" with the right-wing trash here.

Thanks for proving my point Harry.

Have a nice night.


It's not *your* point, dummy. It is my oft-stated position.

Jim-- wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:42:43 -0500, Jim-- wrote:


It is a vast right wing conspiracy. We have secret meetings every
night.
We even have a secret handshake and special decoder rings.

I do not believe I have every read a conservative here stating he wished
to kill Clinton. I have, however, read about wishes to kill Bush by a
couple of loony lefties here, including the clown prince Krause.

BTW: Do you guys see black helicopters following you at night?

I can name many democracies overthrown from the right. Name *one*
overthrown from the left.


Attempted and successful government takeovers by the left:

1923: Spain
1926: Italy
1926: Poland
1933: Germany
1933: Uruguay
1933: Austria
1934: Estonia
1934: Latvia
1935: Ecuador
1936: Greece
1936: Spain
1938: Czechoslovakia
1940: Belgium, Denmark, France, Netherlands, Norway
1943: Argentina
1947: Ecuador
1948: Venezuela
1948: Czechoslovakia
1962: Burma
1963: Ecuador
1966: Argentina
1964: Brazil
1967: Greece
1968: Peru
1972: Ecuador
1972: Philippines
1973: Uruguay
1973: Chile
1975: India
1976: Argentina
1987: Zimbabwe
1999: Pakistan

Will that do?



What a giggle.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim-- wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim-- wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
news On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:06:15 -0500, DSK wrote:


Please also note that Republicans mostly disliked FDR, and the
right-wing
branch of the GOP actively hated and undermined him, and spread
the
most
awful rumors they could think of. Some were outright Nazi
sympathizers.

Don't forget the attempted coup against FDR.

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html


It is a vast right wing conspiracy. We have secret meetings every
night.
We even have a secret handshake and special decoder rings.

I do not believe I have every read a conservative here stating he
wished
to
kill Clinton. I have, however, read about wishes to kill Bush by a
couple
of loony lefties here, including the clown prince Krause.

Uh, sorry, crap-for-brains, but all I wish for Bush is a speedy
retirement this fall, and perhaps, if we're lucky, a tar and feathering
of the idiot as he leaves town.

Sorry Krazy Krause but you cannot deny the death wishes you made on our
President, along with a couple of other crazies from your lefty loony
crowd.




Sure I can. Never made any. Sorry.

Easy to say now that you have deleted your old posts.