As a concession to you Kman, I will add this addenum instead of
reposting the above. I got to thinking more about my last post to you,
and desired to clarify the "Good Bye."

It is only good bye regarding the past personal situation, and I would
look forward to the positive input you have regarding the paddling
experience you share. I did not want you to be devastated thinking that
I had signed off and out of your net life, and of interacting with you.
It is just way to much fun!

However, I would encourage you to stock up on the aspirin, since the
Canadian product seems to have the propensity to explode which I am
sure voids any guarantee of medical value. TnT

Tinkerntom wrote:

As a concession to you Kman, I will add this addenum instead of
reposting the above. I got to thinking more about my last post to you,
and desired to clarify the "Good Bye."

PLONK!

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 1/22/05 4:36 PM:

Well Kman, you are in unusually rare form today as well. I do hope the
explosion helped you feel better! Though I am wondering if it blew part
of your name away.

As far as the double posting issue, since it causes you so much pain

It's a bit like farting at the usenet dinner table Tinerntom, but please,
continue to stink if you wish. You always talk about what an eager learner
you are, so I thought you might like to know that

you might consider checking out the new Google gateway to the usenet.
When a post is removed, you never see it again. I suspect that Google
is providing this convience to promote a faster and more convient
access to the discussion forum. The list services seem to be an archaic
hold over from the old monolithic central server days. The postings
also go through much faster. I have checked out some of the list
servers where it can take between several hours to even days for the
list servers to catch up with the post. I have not been able to
determine what other benefit the old list server format offers, than
that established usenet users, have trouble learning new processes.
Even the whole idea of bottom posting and including snippits in a post,
appears to no longer be necessary. Sort of like using telegraph or
smoke signals to communicate, when we have telephones and television.
But I realize that some folks may have trouble making that leap into
the 21st century, and I will work on being more sensitive to their loss
of time and effort, with my double posting, and will try to hold it
down to a minimum.

LOL. You scored high on the pompous scale for that one. FYI, my posts appear
instantaneously. You might be surprised (because you seem rather unaware of
the world around you) that everyone on usenent is aware of google and knows
how to use it.

As to my storming off, there were no such dramatics involved, just
that I was willing to move on if you were

I see. That's not what you said though. You said this:

"As for me, I continue to move on, to enjoy posting here and else where,
and to generally enjoy the whole paddling and usenet experience. Have a good
life Keenan. Thankyou and Good bye, Tinkerntom"

which you apparently were
not. You called me back with a question or statement, which I said I
was willing to stick around for awhile longer and respond to. If you
are now willing to move on, so am I, and I will restate,

"As for me, I continue to move on, to enjoy posting here and else
where, and to generally enjoy the whole paddling and usenet experience.
Have a good life Keenan. Thankyou and Good bye, Tinkerntom"

And that statement still doesn't carry a meaning anything like the
historical revisionist version you are spinning now.

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 1/22/05 5:16 PM:

As a concession to you Kman, I will add this addenum instead of
reposting the above. I got to thinking more about my last post to you,
and desired to clarify the "Good Bye."

It is only good bye regarding the past personal situation, and I would
look forward to the positive input you have regarding the paddling
experience you share. I did not want you to be devastated thinking that
I had signed off and out of your net life, and of interacting with you.
It is just way to much fun!

However, I would encourage you to stock up on the aspirin, since the
Canadian product seems to have the propensity to explode which I am
sure voids any guarantee of medical value. TnT

Tinkerntom, I have to ask (and I realize this is personal, no offense taken
if you don't want to answer) but...

Have you in the past, or do you currently, experiment with Lysergic Acid
Diethylamide?

Kman, Your post show up instaneously?.. Well that is nice for you. One
lister I tried previously took several days to publish a post. Really
made it frustrating to try to participate in a conversation. So I hope
you can understand why I am not to excited about list servers. Even
during our previous debacle of a discussion, last November, when I
posted, I had to typically wait for several hours to see my own post,
and I had no idea when you saw it, and were able to respond so quickly.
But then I had to wait again several hours for your post to be
published so that I could respond. They blamed it on bandwidth, but
three to four hour lag time was hard to live with.

I did check out the list server that Melissa referenced, and in their
FAQ they state that due to the filtering process, there is a lag time
from post to publication. There was also the fact that they were
located in Germany, and a number of their functions were addressed in
German. No spreckenzie Deutz!

So if you have a list server that does not have this problem, I would
be more than glad to check them out. I would also be glad to hear from
you how else you feel that the list server is preferable to going
directly to Google.

So this ability to post directly on the forum at the web portal is very
nice now for me. I can post, and after only a few minutes, I can see
it published. I do understand, that the multiple postings would be
distracting to you, if the cancelled post at my end is still published
at yours. I will continue to work on not doing that. I will also use
the preview button more carefully and check for spelling errors. I
again realize that we all make sp errors, and I have been ridiculed by
some on this forum for previous spelling errors. So I have tried to be
more careful to correct them. TnT

It is more like,

"Plop, Plop, Phiz, Phiz.
Oh what a relief it is! TnT

Melissa, I got your email, and will process.

As to last rquest, that would be fine by me!

In fact, I read an article, that they are opening Gross Reservoir here
in Colorado to paddle boating for the first time. The relevancy to this
OP, is that they are warning that the water is very cold - 40 F - all
year long. PFDs are required, but seems it would be prudent to wear
cold water gear as well. Strong winds (60 to 110+Mph) can come up
suddenly, generating large waves, in the canyon area which is why they
are not going to allow sailing. I think that this is just a trial, and
I wonder how long till someone unprepared drowns, and the management
closes access again. Bummer!

Gross reservoir is a very pretty, blue water, reservoir that is
completely surrounded by relatively primitive lands. The only camping
is primitive, and access is limited, so should be a real nice
experience. I am totally looking forward to checking this area out. TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
ups.com...
Kman, Your post show up instaneously?.. Well that is nice for you. One
lister I tried previously took several days to publish a post. Really
made it frustrating to try to participate in a conversation. So I hope
you can understand why I am not to excited about list servers. Even
during our previous debacle of a discussion, last November, when I
posted, I had to typically wait for several hours to see my own post,
and I had no idea when you saw it, and were able to respond so quickly.
But then I had to wait again several hours for your post to be
published so that I could respond. They blamed it on bandwidth, but
three to four hour lag time was hard to live with.

I did check out the list server that Melissa referenced, and in their
FAQ they state that due to the filtering process, there is a lag time
from post to publication. There was also the fact that they were
located in Germany, and a number of their functions were addressed in
German. No spreckenzie Deutz!

So if you have a list server that does not have this problem, I would
be more than glad to check them out. I would also be glad to hear from
you how else you feel that the list server is preferable to going
directly to Google.

Holy geezus. Where to begin.

Before I say anything, I have to ask if you have heard of "newsgroups" or
"newsreaders."

So this ability to post directly on the forum at the web portal is very
nice now for me.

You may think so, but to people reading newsgroups in other ways (most
people) your posts often appear twice, and almost always without context
(information from whatever post you are replying to) which makes it extra
difficult to know what you are talking about and to whom.

Keenan, I am glad to hear from you again, REALLY! Thanks to Melissa, I
have heard about newsgroups and newsreaders, and I expect to be making
some changes, regarding how I am posting. I moved this weekend, and
worked late today, so have not had time to follow through yet, so I am
posting this using the old aggravating to you way, and it may hit you
twice, so I must again apologize. I would just encourage you to know
that I am understanding more where I have been going wrong, and I
appreciate your continuing patience. Until I make these changes, I will
try to refraime from continuing to post in the RBP. So please don't
post anything that will set me off again, and know that there is light
at the end of the tunnel, and its not a train. TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 1/24/05 10:34 PM:

Keenan, I am glad to hear from you again, REALLY!

OK :-)

Thanks to Melissa, I
have heard about newsgroups and newsreaders, and I expect to be making
some changes, regarding how I am posting.

Good luck wit that.

I moved this weekend, and
worked late today, so have not had time to follow through yet, so I am
posting this using the old aggravating to you way, and it may hit you
twice, so I must again apologize.

It's really not about me, Tinkerntom. I assure you that for any others
reading your posts the experience is the same.

I would just encourage you to know
that I am understanding more where I have been going wrong, and I
appreciate your continuing patience. Until I make these changes, I will
try to refraime from continuing to post in the RBP. So please don't
post anything that will set me off again, and know that there is light
at the end of the tunnel, and its not a train. TnT

Geezus Tom, it ain't that serious. But you could save a lot of time in
future by just dropping your guard.