Lucky for all of us neither mine nor the world according to Keenan, are
the only choices of reality offered! TnT

KMAN wrote:
in article , Wilko at
wrote on 1/17/05 10:27 AM:
r neoprene open palm mittens:

http://wilko.webzone.ru/w-les10.jpg

The drytop she is wearing here is the same model as one of my drytops,
of a German brand, "kayaker.de", but their site has hiccups when I go to
the "zubehoer" - "bekleidung und mehr" page. It just shows a blank page
with that text, not the clothes. :-(


Geezus, is she playing in a hockey game afterwards?!? :-D

Actually, it's not uncommon for kayakers to wear faceguards here.

Hers came only after she caught her paddle in her face hard enough to
get her teeth all the way through her lower lip. And that was at the
entrance to a class V rapid. :-(

Thanks again. The amount of information and choices are somewhat
overwhelming on this topic. We have the farmer wetsuits already, figuring
out exactly what else to wear on the top is still an intriguing question to
me :-)

Good luck figuring it out! :-)

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
ups.com...
Lucky for all of us neither mine nor the world according to Keenan, are
the only choices of reality offered! TnT

1) Why do you keep choosing the reality that includes a doubling of your
messages?

2) I thought you recently signed off from talking about me?

3) Does 1 + 2 mean that you are twice the twit?

"Wilko" wrote in message
...


KMAN wrote:
in article , Wilko at

wrote on 1/17/05 10:27 AM:
r neoprene open palm mittens:

http://wilko.webzone.ru/w-les10.jpg

The drytop she is wearing here is the same model as one of my drytops,
of a German brand, "kayaker.de", but their site has hiccups when I go to
the "zubehoer" - "bekleidung und mehr" page. It just shows a blank page
with that text, not the clothes. :-(


Geezus, is she playing in a hockey game afterwards?!? :-D

Actually, it's not uncommon for kayakers to wear faceguards here.

Hers came only after she caught her paddle in her face hard enough to get
her teeth all the way through her lower lip. And that was at the entrance
to a class V rapid. :-(

Holy moses!

Thanks again. The amount of information and choices are somewhat
overwhelming on this topic. We have the farmer wetsuits already, figuring
out exactly what else to wear on the top is still an intriguing question
to
me :-)

Good luck figuring it out! :-)

I think I've got it now. You wear the farmer wetsuit, some sort of shirt
that keeps you warm and won't soak up water if it gets wet, and a drytop of
some sort, what I would call a "paddling jacket."

"Melissa" wrote in message
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Hi Keenan,

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:42:12 -0500, you wrote:

I think I've got it now. You wear the farmer wetsuit, some sort of
shirt that keeps you warm and won't soak up water if it gets wet,
and a drytop of some sort, what I would call a "paddling jacket."

Though it's not quite as much of an issue with a farmer john/jane
wetsuit as it can be for a wetsuit with full length arms, wearing an
anti-chafing top underneath a wetsuit can be a good thing; especially
when you're going to be paddling for hours on end. You can usually
find something like this in surf shops.

- --
Melissa

Anti-chafing! Sounds so...serious. But I don't like chafing, so I guess this
is important :-)

Melissa wrote:
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:42:12 -0500, you wrote:


I think I've got it now. You wear the farmer wetsuit, some sort of
shirt that keeps you warm and won't soak up water if it gets wet,
and a drytop of some sort, what I would call a "paddling jacket."

Exactly! Although I wear a layer of that "sort of shirt that keeps you
warm and won't soak up water if it gets wet" under my wetsuit, it's not
there to prevent chafing (which my farmer johns which are cut for
paddling with extra wide openings for the arms) but more to provide a
more comfortable dry layer when I have to put on a damp wetsuit over it
on a winter day (for example after several days of paddling which make
all of my other dry wetsuits wet as well :-) ).

Though it's not quite as much of an issue with a farmer john/jane
wetsuit as it can be for a wetsuit with full length arms, wearing an
anti-chafing top underneath a wetsuit can be a good thing; especially
when you're going to be paddling for hours on end. You can usually
find something like this in surf shops.

I couldn't agree more! Having a well fitting wetsuit, paddling jacket
and swimming vest makes a huge difference in the comfort one has when
paddling for extended periods of time. I've had paddling clothes that
have rubbed my skin away after paddling in them for longer. Not much
fun, especially when you have to don those clothes again for the
remainder of a long paddling holiday.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

in article , Wilko at
wrote on 1/17/05 10:27 AM:
r neoprene open palm mittens:

http://wilko.webzone.ru/w-les10.jpg

The drytop she is wearing here is the same model as one of my drytops,
of a German brand, "kayaker.de", but their site has hiccups when I go to
the "zubehoer" - "bekleidung und mehr" page. It just shows a blank page
with that text, not the clothes. :-(

Geezus, is she playing in a hockey game afterwards?!? :-D

Thanks again. The amount of information and choices are somewhat
overwhelming on this topic. We have the farmer wetsuits already, figuring
out exactly what else to wear on the top is still an intriguing question to
me :-)

Doubling up the message, reminds me of the old Doublemint Gum jingle.
It makes things twice as juicy, twice as good, lasts twice as long. In
other words, twice as good. So consider yourself twice as blest Keenan.

1) Since it is such a hugh issue to you. I realize that your lister
receives the post each time I post, even though I am allowed by Google
to cancel the first to correct a spelling error I did not catch in the
prepost preview, and then repost. As an educator, I would think that
you would appreciate my attempt to spell words correctly. I don't
catch them all, but I try. And I am certain that you have never
misspelled a word, or canceled a posting!

2) I don't recall that I ever said I would stop talking to or about
you. If you ask a question or make a statement, indirectly, or
directly to or about me, I reserve the right to respond. I realize that
it is like spitting into the wind!. If you don't like the flak, stay
out of my airspace. Leave me alone, and I will gladly leave you alone!

3) so 1+2 does not equal anything about me, so much as about you.

1) my postings are irritating to you because you are too sensitive, but
then we all need to be more sensitive, so makes you a model usenet
user.

2) you prolong the personal posting because you like to draw attention
to yourself, but then you are an interesting character, and you bring
out the best in us all. And then maybe the worst as well!

3) So, the way I add it up,
a) if my double postings irritate you, get a thicker skin,
b) if you don't like people talking about you, get a thicker skin,
c) if you can't get a thicker skin, take 2 Advil, Excedrin, or
Midol.

In your world, I am sure you can just move on if you really wanted to,
but then as I said earlier, You still get to much juice from the
attention to move on. So carry on and protest your innosense. I have
apolpgized to you for any and all past injustice to you on my part.
Now lick your wounds, for as they say, "because you can!" TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 1/22/05 11:15 AM:

Doubling up the message, reminds me of the old Doublemint Gum jingle.
It makes things twice as juicy, twice as good, lasts twice as long. In
other words, twice as good. So consider yourself twice as blest Keenan.

Your aspirin is starting to throb.

1) Since it is such a hugh issue to you. I realize that your lister
receives the post each time I post, even though I am allowed by Google
to cancel the first to correct a spelling error I did not catch in the
prepost preview, and then repost. As an educator, I would think that
you would appreciate my attempt to spell words correctly. I don't
catch them all, but I try. And I am certain that you have never
misspelled a word, or canceled a posting!

I often make typos, but no, I have never cancelled a posting. This isn't a
spelling contest, so I would rather let my spelling errors stand than post
the same message twice.

2) I don't recall that I ever said I would stop talking to or about
you. If you ask a question or make a statement, indirectly, or
directly to or about me, I reserve the right to respond.

Oh, by all means! I just recall you made a big signoff sort of speech, I
guess I misunderstood the meaning of this:

"As for me, I continue to move on, to enjoy posting here and else where,
and to generally enjoy the whole paddling and usenet experience. Have a good
life Keenan. Thankyou and Good bye, Tinkerntom"

It all seemed so...final. And dramatic. You can see how I might have taken
that to mean, well, "goodbye."

I realize that
it is like spitting into the wind!. If you don't like the flak, stay
out of my airspace. Leave me alone, and I will gladly leave you alone!

Nono. Do as you wish. As I said, I misunderstood the meaning of that post
when I thought you were storming out of the room never to be heard from
again.

3) so 1+2 does not equal anything about me, so much as about you.

????

1) my postings are irritating to you because you are too sensitive, but
then we all need to be more sensitive, so makes you a model usenet
user.

When you get carried away you don't mess around, you really give it the full
nutter. I like that about you Tinkerntom. Sometimes you see those guys on
the sidewalk making speeches about the coming apocalypse and if they don't
have that real wild look in their eyes, it just isn't convincing.

2) you prolong the personal posting because you like to draw attention
to yourself, but then you are an interesting character, and you bring
out the best in us all. And then maybe the worst as well!

Some classic Tinkerntom there! Your aspirin is screaming for mercy again.

3) So, the way I add it up,
a) if my double postings irritate you, get a thicker skin

Why not learn how to post only once?

If we all posted our messages twice, I am sure you can appreciate there
would be a problem.

b) if you don't like people talking about you, get a thicker skin

Oh, Tinkerntom, I'm afraid you misunderstood. I have no interest in
curtailing your freedoms! As you can imagine, when I thought you had signed
off from interacting with me for life, I was devastated. When suddenly you
came back to life, I wanted to check in and see what had resulted in this
big change of heart.

c) if you can't get a thicker skin, take 2 Advil, Excedrin, or
Midol.

Goodness, you really are in a snit today.

In your world, I am sure you can just move on if you really wanted to,
but then as I said earlier, You still get to much juice from the
attention to move on. So carry on and protest your innosense. I have
apolpgized to you for any and all past injustice to you on my part.
Now lick your wounds, for as they say, "because you can!" TnT

Your aspirin jar has just exploded.

Well Kman, you are in unusually rare form today as well. I do hope the
explosion helped you feel better! Though I am wondering if it blew part
of your name away.

As far as the double posting issue, since it causes you so much pain,
you might consider checking out the new Google gateway to the usenet.
When a post is removed, you never see it again. I suspect that Google
is providing this convience to promote a faster and more convient
access to the discussion forum. The list services seem to be an archaic
hold over from the old monolithic central server days. The postings
also go through much faster. I have checked out some of the list
servers where it can take between several hours to even days for the
list servers to catch up with the post. I have not been able to
determine what other benefit the old list server format offers, than
that established usenet users, have trouble learning new processes.
Even the whole idea of bottom posting and including snippits in a post,
appears to no longer be necessary. Sort of like using telegraph or
smoke signals to communicate, when we have telephones and television.
But I realize that some folks may have trouble making that leap into
the 21st century, and I will work on being more sensitive to their loss
of time and effort, with my double posting, and will try to hold it
down to a minimum.

As to my storming off, there were no such dramatics involved, just
that I was willing to move on if you were, which you apparently were
not. You called me back with a question or statement, which I said I
was willing to stick around for awhile longer and respond to. If you
are now willing to move on, so am I, and I will restate,

"As for me, I continue to move on, to enjoy posting here and else
where, and to generally enjoy the whole paddling and usenet experience.
Have a good life Keenan. Thankyou and Good bye, Tinkerntom"