Think of them as a "voting block" - just like the other 10's of "voting
blocks" out there...

They don't really take anything anywhere.... just exert an influence.

I don't see another Taliban on the near horizon.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Actually, I've been trying to avoid partisan politics the last few days.
I don't think it partisan to express fear over the direction the
evangelical Christians are taking this country. It is their theology
that worries me.

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps, there
were no trials, no individual investigations, no requirements for evidence, no
background checks, no objective steps taken *at all* to
determine who was- or even might be- a threat to national security and who was
not. If you were 50% or more Japanese, had a Japanese name, and "looked
Oriental", your ass was grass. Once in prison, there was no due process
available- not even a chance to appeal your innocence or prove you were not,
and had never been, a threat to security.

It was like locking up a female dog in heat.
Who knows what trouble the poor beast would get into if let out?

While interred, the rents and taxes on personal and business properties
continued to accrue. The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to
repossession and public auction. Did you know that it was acutally *illegal* in
many areas for a non-Japanese friend or non-Japanese relative to try to keep
the payments and taxes current on properties owned by the Japanese prisoners?

While it didn't do diddly squat for national security, the shameful internment
of American citizens and legal immigrants based solely on racial
characteristics proved to be a very effective means for profiteering through
property forfeitures.

Did you know that when the Japanese were hauled off to UnAmerica, many of their
young men joined the army and were
combined into a special "Jap" Regiment?
The Japanese soldiers fought bravely in Italy, but were never sent to the
Pacific theater for fear they might "revert" and turn their guns on US
soldiers. (Funny there was no similar fear when US soldiers of German ancestry
were sent to Europe in the same war).

I am at a total loss to understand how anybody can defend Japanese imprisonment
during WWII as a noble idea. It is one of the most shameful chapters in the
history of a nation that
proclaims "liberty, and justice, for all."

The
Germans believed that the Jews were an inferior race. We temporarily
"secured" the Jap-Am's. The Germans exterminated the Jews.

The comparison is not even close.


The basic fact that the Jewish "race" and the Japanese race were
both interred by their governments during the Second World War is not a close
comparison--------it's an *exact* comparison. The Japanese were let out again,
but sadly there were millions of Jews who butchered so there is no comparison
between the fates of the two groups *after* they were imprisoned.

If it were up to me, I'd give native Americans the titles to Texas,
Alabama, Mississippi, North and South Dakota and Missouri.

Let 'em have the red states. (Just joking)

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:35:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
This has to be - bar none - the funniest line I've ever, EVER, seen here.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Excuse me, and I certainly don't want to get into partisan politics...


I exist to make you laugh.

Actually, I've been trying to avoid partisan politics the last few days.
I don't think it partisan to express fear over the direction the
evangelical Christians are taking this country. It is their theology
that worries me.


What worries me is the perception and proliferation by the losers in
this past election, that the winners are somehow all evangelical
Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Then again, to someone devoid of morals, even the most modest of
Christian looks evangelical.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Dave

On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

, there
were no trials, no individual investigations, no requirements for evidence, no
background checks, no objective steps taken *at all* to
determine who was- or even might be- a threat to national security and who was
not. If you were 50% or more Japanese, had a Japanese name, and "looked
Oriental", your ass was grass. Once in prison, there was no due process
available- not even a chance to appeal your innocence or prove you were not,
and had never been, a threat to security.

I realize that in leftist propaganda 101 they teach you to use certain
words to inflame a person's emotions in order to sway their opinion.
But once again, it was not prison, and they were not criminals.


It was like locking up a female dog in heat.

I've done that. No need to have any "unplanned" litters.....

Who knows what trouble the poor beast would get into if let out?

Try it once and see. Then the next time you'll lock it up....


While interred, the rents and taxes on personal and business properties
continued to accrue. The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to
repossession and public auction.

THAT was wrong. It's not like they asked to become delinquent.


Did you know that it was acutally *illegal* in
many areas for a non-Japanese friend or non-Japanese relative to try to keep
the payments and taxes current on properties owned by the Japanese prisoners?

What was the rationale for that? Are you sure that was the case. I've
never heard of that. Where is the source.


While it didn't do diddly squat for national security, the shameful internment
of American citizens and legal immigrants based solely on racial
characteristics proved to be a very effective means for profiteering through
property forfeitures.

Did you know that when the Japanese were hauled off to UnAmerica, many of their
young men joined the army and were
combined into a special "Jap" Regiment?
The Japanese soldiers fought bravely in Italy, but were never sent to the
Pacific theater for fear they might "revert" and turn their guns on US
soldiers. (Funny there was no similar fear when US soldiers of German ancestry
were sent to Europe in the same war).

I am at a total loss to understand how anybody can defend Japanese imprisonment
during WWII as a noble idea. It is one of the most shameful chapters in the
history of a nation that
proclaims "liberty, and justice, for all."

Once again, hindsight and all. Before you make judgements against
anyone, you need to be able to walk in their shoes.


The
Germans believed that the Jews were an inferior race. We temporarily
"secured" the Jap-Am's. The Germans exterminated the Jews.

The comparison is not even close.


The basic fact that the Jewish "race" and the Japanese race were
both interred by their governments during the Second World War is not a close
comparison--------it's an *exact* comparison. The Japanese were let out again,
but sadly there were millions of Jews who butchered so there is no comparison
between the fates of the two groups *after* they were imprisoned.

But it was the reason that matters. THAT is the whole point.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:30:10 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:51 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the
circumstances.

Of course, the idea was to learn from history, not judge history. We are
a good people, who have occasionally done bad things. Japanese internment
was a bad thing.


As a nation, we've done lots of good things and lots of bad things.
Considering the large number of the latter, we ought to be more cautious
when we're undertaking "things" that will harm people. As an example,
there's no legitimate excuse or justification for what we did to the
native Americans. We destroyed their civilizations.


I don't see you offering up your land as restitution......

Dave


What a stupid remark.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Dave


It is up to the government of the United States to make proper
restitution to the descendents of those native Americans who were tossed
off their lands or slaughtered or both. It was formalized government
policy that cause the removals and slaughter.

Nice way to wiggle out of any responsibility. What would you say then
if the government came to claim your land as restitution?


If it were up to me, I'd give native Americans the titles to Texas,
Alabama, Mississippi, North and South Dakota and Missouri.

Fortunately, it's not up to you.

Dave

And of course, it all took place under the adminsitration of the epitome of
the democratic party........... FDR

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

, there
were no trials, no individual investigations, no requirements for
evidence, no
background checks, no objective steps taken *at all* to
determine who was- or even might be- a threat to national security and who
was
not. If you were 50% or more Japanese, had a Japanese name, and "looked
Oriental", your ass was grass. Once in prison, there was no due process
available- not even a chance to appeal your innocence or prove you were
not,
and had never been, a threat to security.

I realize that in leftist propaganda 101 they teach you to use certain
words to inflame a person's emotions in order to sway their opinion.
But once again, it was not prison, and they were not criminals.


It was like locking up a female dog in heat.

I've done that. No need to have any "unplanned" litters.....

Who knows what trouble the poor beast would get into if let out?

Try it once and see. Then the next time you'll lock it up....


While interred, the rents and taxes on personal and business properties
continued to accrue. The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to
repossession and public auction.

THAT was wrong. It's not like they asked to become delinquent.


Did you know that it was acutally *illegal* in
many areas for a non-Japanese friend or non-Japanese relative to try to
keep
the payments and taxes current on properties owned by the Japanese
prisoners?

What was the rationale for that? Are you sure that was the case. I've
never heard of that. Where is the source.


While it didn't do diddly squat for national security, the shameful
internment
of American citizens and legal immigrants based solely on racial
characteristics proved to be a very effective means for profiteering
through
property forfeitures.

Did you know that when the Japanese were hauled off to UnAmerica, many of
their
young men joined the army and were
combined into a special "Jap" Regiment?
The Japanese soldiers fought bravely in Italy, but were never sent to the
Pacific theater for fear they might "revert" and turn their guns on US
soldiers. (Funny there was no similar fear when US soldiers of German
ancestry
were sent to Europe in the same war).

I am at a total loss to understand how anybody can defend Japanese
imprisonment
during WWII as a noble idea. It is one of the most shameful chapters in
the
history of a nation that
proclaims "liberty, and justice, for all."

Once again, hindsight and all. Before you make judgements against
anyone, you need to be able to walk in their shoes.


The
Germans believed that the Jews were an inferior race. We temporarily
"secured" the Jap-Am's. The Germans exterminated the Jews.

The comparison is not even close.


The basic fact that the Jewish "race" and the Japanese race were
both interred by their governments during the Second World War is not a
close
comparison--------it's an *exact* comparison. The Japanese were let out
again,
but sadly there were millions of Jews who butchered so there is no
comparison
between the fates of the two groups *after* they were imprisoned.

But it was the reason that matters. THAT is the whole point.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during
WWII, for the sake of the greater good.


You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using
quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates
something real. Is that what you believe?

In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when
they really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people
confuse "rights" with privileges. Also rights come with
responsibilities. There is no free ride. if you fail to live up to
those responsibilities, don't be surprised when you lose your rights.

Dave

Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to
Jesusville...it would have an impact.



The only likely impact will be a sense of profound relief that folks from the
blue states won't be defiling the region with sinful thoughts and wicked ways.
:-)

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to,

So, like me, your posts are very brief. :-)

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

When you are confined to a fenced area, housed in a barracks, not allowed to
come and go at your own free will, subject to being shot from a guard tower if
you try to escape, and your life is regimented 24/7, what would you call that,
a resort?

But once again, it was not prison, and they were not criminals.

We agree on one thing: they were not criminals.

The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to
repossession and public auction.

THAT was wrong. It's not like they asked to become delinquent.

Ah, but if you were the landlord, the mortgage holder, etc.....should *you* be
economically punished because "you can't trust them sneaky, slanty-eyed Japs"?

The only way to avoid this very wrong situaiton would have been not hauling the
Japanese off to prison camp in the first place.