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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.


Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you
claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims.


Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller in
question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line, gives
the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free, and
prevents damage to the hull/deck.
No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of
discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me.

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:46:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, you're just playing dumb games. Rolling hitch is for taking strain off
an existing line. Not sure what that has to do with raising an anchor hand
over hand. Sure a chain hook/snatch block, but actually Jim really
answered
the question. In fact, I pretty much answered it, but you're so caught up
in
your "expert" level you didn't see it.


Last week you had much to learn.

This week nothing has changed.

Nice job getting the Moose to help with your homework.

Is that what you call "leverage" ?

Some would call it man power.

Yes, it's called leverage. It's called woman power... vastly underrated,
much more impressive.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How
much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think
would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.
Who was just given the ultumatum to remove his rehab equipment from the
house? Who drives a girly car? Who is tasked with taking care of the boy's
needs? Next thing she'll be ordering you to make room for a sofa in your
front room. Who is the pussy whipped old fart now?

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I
have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree
with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help
vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by
giving totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.


Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then,
you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus
claims.


Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller in
question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line, gives
the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free, and
prevents damage to the hull/deck.
No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of
discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me.


Wow. I guess you are stupid. I even copied and pasted the definitions for
you. You're a LOSER. Sorry, but you're the one leaving. I'm right here
posting.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How
much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think
would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.

I was trying to be nice and teach him something about words and meanings.
Sadly, he failed to learn anything.

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.
Who was just given the ultumatum to remove his rehab equipment from the
house? Who drives a girly car? Who is tasked with taking care of the boy's
needs? Next thing she'll be ordering you to make room for a sofa in your
front room. Who is the pussy whipped old fart now?


You, apparently. You can't admit when you're wrong and when you're proved
wrong, you take your (tiny) marbles and go home.

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:34:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Yes, it's called leverage. It's called woman power... vastly underrated,
much more impressive.

So I was driving around the Bahamas the other day on the wrong side of
the road, as is the quaint British custom here, and chanced upon a
sign saying: "Slow, Dangerous Curve". To which I said to my sweetie,
"nonsense, the most dangerous curve in the world is the one on a
woman's butt."

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On 17/06/2010 2:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I
have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.

We could argue thow dumb you are, but no one would disagree that you are
dumb.


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

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On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley

wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully.
:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind
of comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other
post[s] were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his
Grand Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the
very last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne
all about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering
carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the
dumpster Diva reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much
chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope
but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems
to be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help
from the windlass?


You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass?

Keep on trollin'

Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if
it fails to work. So, you're just an idiot.


You never asked that question.

You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a
liar AND an idiot.
No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****.

Well, you're a liar and a dip****. You win!


I never snipped the post. It's all on Google.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but
I have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree
with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front,
so that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of
a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one
mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't
give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort
force in a machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help
vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by
giving totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.


Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then,
you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus
claims.


Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller
in question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line,
gives the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free,
and prevents damage to the hull/deck.
No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of
discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me.


Wow. I guess you are stupid. I even copied and pasted the definitions for
you. You're a LOSER. Sorry, but you're the one leaving. I'm right here
posting.


Ever notice there are sometimes several different definitions for the same
word. You just happened to chose the wrong one for the application. Sorry.
You lose again.
I must admit that you are a persistant little booger.