anchor question?
 

On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/2010 2:25 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:45 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of
good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot
from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would
have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy
if you
need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good
place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't
need
to have as much use for all chain.

There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain
without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing
it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it
provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster
because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain
offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so
far. You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you
would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still
a lot of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck
and the
Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're
going to leave it?

What guage of chain and how heavy and what type of an anchor?

No idea. I'd imagine that chain/anchor for a 40' boat would be pretty
significant.

Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So,
you wouldn't even have a clue.

It is evident you don't own one D'Plume and never will. Especially
anything that would require 100 ft. of chain..

I've said I don't own a boat. I have been to the Carib, where a lot of
chain on a rental boat is pretty common. I bet you own one of the
little putt-putt boats that make a nuisance.


Ahhh I'ts a brand new day, The sun is low on the horizon. The birds are
chirping, and Nom De Plume Has been burning the midnight oil making a
fool of herself.
Hello World.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.
No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think
and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers.
To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can
understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/10 8:32 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.
No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think
and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers.
To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can
understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn.


W'hine is an arrogant asshole. But your comment does prove my oft-stated
point here, that rec.boats is *not* the place to ask and get answered
serious boating questions. Fortunately, there are some moderated
discussion groups where ****heads like you would be tossed at the first
opportunity.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/2010 7:56 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:53 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/15/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your
expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher. You're some guy on a newsgroup who claims to
have great knowledge about cruising/anchoring. I asked a
straightforward, honest question.. how do you deal with 100 ft of
chain and big anchor if you can't use a windlass. It seems as though
you'd rather rest on your laurels vs. making a serious attempt to
answer a serious question. I even proposed driving up to above the
anchor, but that doesn't solve the problem of pulling up all that
weight. If you want to answer the question, if you're capable of
answering the question, go for it. Otherwise, you should probably just
admit that you don't have an answer and perhaps take the lesson
yourself and find a solution, since you're actually doing the cruising
and it might come in handy.


The answer is simple. If you can't lift the anchor you must set it free,
with a bouy attached for obvious reasons. Or you could McGiver up one of
the many winches on the sailboat to help lift the anchor.
So sorry that you couldn't figure that out on your own. It wasn't that
tough.



Which of the line-handing winches on a sailboat would you use to try
to pull up 100 feet of anchor chain and a large anchor? It's not like
you are in the navy, still, and part of a dumb gang crew of 100 men
pressed into doing the old heave-ho.

Does it matter?

The newest piece of gear on most of the larger fishing charter boats
in the Bay almost invariably is the electric anchor windlass, because
the damned things burn out in that sort of constant use.
Anchor windlasses are rated to lift ground tackle, not break it free
from the bottom. You might want to pass this on to your buddies in the
fleet.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/10 8:42 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 7:56 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:53 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/15/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your
expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher. You're some guy on a newsgroup who claims to
have great knowledge about cruising/anchoring. I asked a
straightforward, honest question.. how do you deal with 100 ft of
chain and big anchor if you can't use a windlass. It seems as though
you'd rather rest on your laurels vs. making a serious attempt to
answer a serious question. I even proposed driving up to above the
anchor, but that doesn't solve the problem of pulling up all that
weight. If you want to answer the question, if you're capable of
answering the question, go for it. Otherwise, you should probably just
admit that you don't have an answer and perhaps take the lesson
yourself and find a solution, since you're actually doing the cruising
and it might come in handy.


The answer is simple. If you can't lift the anchor you must set it free,
with a bouy attached for obvious reasons. Or you could McGiver up one of
the many winches on the sailboat to help lift the anchor.
So sorry that you couldn't figure that out on your own. It wasn't that
tough.



Which of the line-handing winches on a sailboat would you use to try
to pull up 100 feet of anchor chain and a large anchor? It's not like
you are in the navy, still, and part of a dumb gang crew of 100 men
pressed into doing the old heave-ho.

Does it matter?

The newest piece of gear on most of the larger fishing charter boats
in the Bay almost invariably is the electric anchor windlass, because
the damned things burn out in that sort of constant use.
Anchor windlasses are rated to lift ground tackle, not break it free
from the bottom. You might want to pass this on to your buddies in the
fleet.




D'oh. As usual, you jumped to the wrong conclusion. No wonder we lost in
Vietnam.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/10 8:54 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 8:32 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 8:32 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.
No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think
and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers.
To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can
understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn.


W'hine is an arrogant asshole. But your comment does prove my
oft-stated point here, that rec.boats is *not* the place to ask and
get answered serious boating questions. Fortunately, there are some
moderated discussion groups where ****heads like you would be tossed
at the first opportunity.
Wayne is a hell of a guy except when he decides to pick on me. :-)
It is fortunate that no one pays attention to your assessments.
Otherwise there would be no one left to discuss things with except you.

Your problem is you "oft-state" too much of non boating garbage. Go ****
yourself..


That instructive video you sent of you trying it and then your wife
trying it wouldn't play on my DVD player...wrong format.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/2010 8:32 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 8:32 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.
No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think
and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers.
To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can
understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn.


W'hine is an arrogant asshole. But your comment does prove my
oft-stated point here, that rec.boats is *not* the place to ask and
get answered serious boating questions. Fortunately, there are some
moderated discussion groups where ****heads like you would be tossed
at the first opportunity.
Wayne is a hell of a guy except when he decides to pick on me. :-)
It is fortunate that no one pays attention to your assessments.
Otherwise there would be no one left to discuss things with except you.

Your problem is you "oft-state" too much of non boating garbage. Go ****
yourself..

anchor question?
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to answer
the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning experience for
you. It's call humility.


If you're waiting for a show of humility from some of the 'know it alls' in
here, I hope you brought your lunch.
It'll be a long wait.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/10 9:45 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


If you're waiting for a show of humility from some of the 'know it alls'
in here, I hope you brought your lunch.
It'll be a long wait.


W'hine will surely tell us how great he is in his humility. He got that
way by taking the same cruise every year.