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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong,
that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a
typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain
be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas
about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind
that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the
past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that
would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong.

anchor question?
 

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does
a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain
be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas
about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind
that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the
past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that
would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.

anchor question?
 

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would
the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway
to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in
mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty
in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that
would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess
up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or
more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage,
since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage
(Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a
roller?

Would you like to try again?

anchor question?
 

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"Moose" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the
chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas
about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind
that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in
the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that
would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

anchor question?
 

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"Moose" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would
the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway
to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep
in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed
plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that
would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess
up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two
or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since
your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you
want. I don't care.

anchor question?
 

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"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would
the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway
to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep
in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed
plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess
up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two
or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid
if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.

anchor question?
 

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"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would
the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep
in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed
plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid
if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.

anchor question?
 

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How
much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think
would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.


Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you
claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims.

anchor question?
 

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nom=de=plume wrote:


Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps
wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much
does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would
the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep
in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed
plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just
want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something
easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you
mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid
if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.

anchor question?
 

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:46:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, you're just playing dumb games. Rolling hitch is for taking strain off
an existing line. Not sure what that has to do with raising an anchor hand
over hand. Sure a chain hook/snatch block, but actually Jim really answered
the question. In fact, I pretty much answered it, but you're so caught up in
your "expert" level you didn't see it.


Last week you had much to learn.

This week nothing has changed.

Nice job getting the Moose to help with your homework.

Is that what you call "leverage" ?

Some would call it man power.