anchor question?
 

On Jun 15, 8:45*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. * Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? * You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you
need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't
need
to have as much use for all chain.

There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. *Chain sets faster because *the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. *Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. * Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. * Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you
would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

If the windlass fails, you cut and run. *I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the
Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it?

What guage of chain and how heavy and what type of an anchor?

Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So,
you wouldn't even have a clue.

It is evident you don't own one D'Plume and never will. Especially
anything that would require 100 ft. of chain..

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 9:41 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

Exactly when did patent attorneys ever need anything. especially
valued advice?

Exactly who let you out of the mental hospital? That person should be given
patent for accomplishing a miracle!

anchor question?
 

On Jun 15, 8:46*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
om...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me that
you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.

Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are, and
you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that
place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me
that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is
that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation.
And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going
to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid
that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to
anchor.

Talk to the locals? *Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! *I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at exactly
37.846474,-122.664127. *Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? *You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really be
with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the conditions
before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two cans
with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!

Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

... dumb and dumber...

Ah, again you are gazing into the magic mirror, D'Plume?

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On Jun 15, 8:44*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: *Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. * Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. *Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. *Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise..

What question? *All your questions have been answered.
But you want to argue instead of learn.
In case you're still asking about how to hoist chain hand over hand if
you don't have a windlass, it goes one of two ways.
Left hand pulls, then right hand, or right hand pulls, then left hand.
So it depends which hand you start pulling with.
Let me know if that didn't answer your question.
Or maybe you want to argue about coral?

Jim - Wearing my Helpful Hat.

It's not my fault if you can't read.

It's no one else's fault if you can't think, D'Plume.

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:45 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

...



nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it
and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if
you
need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't
need
to have as much use for all chain.

There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides
more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain
offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far.
You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you
would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot
of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the
Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going
to leave it?

What guage of chain and how heavy and what type of an anchor?

No idea. I'd imagine that chain/anchor for a 40' boat would be pretty
significant.

Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So,
you wouldn't even have a clue.

It is evident you don't own one D'Plume and never will. Especially
anything that would require 100 ft. of chain..

I've said I don't own a boat. I have been to the Carib, where a lot of chain
on a rental boat is pretty common. I bet you own one of the little putt-putt
boats that make a nuisance.

anchor question?
 

On Jun 15, 9:41*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. * Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. *Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. *Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

Relax Wayne B. there is no need to proceed any further. As a seasoned
sailor you have no credibility. After all, the wench has spoken.

anchor question?
 

On 6/15/2010 10:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

Isn't it fun being judged by the queen of the dumpster?

anchor question?
 

On 6/15/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher. You're some guy on a newsgroup who claims to
have great knowledge about cruising/anchoring. I asked a
straightforward, honest question.. how do you deal with 100 ft of
chain and big anchor if you can't use a windlass. It seems as though
you'd rather rest on your laurels vs. making a serious attempt to
answer a serious question. I even proposed driving up to above the
anchor, but that doesn't solve the problem of pulling up all that
weight. If you want to answer the question, if you're capable of
answering the question, go for it. Otherwise, you should probably just
admit that you don't have an answer and perhaps take the lesson
yourself and find a solution, since you're actually doing the cruising
and it might come in handy.


The answer is simple. If you can't lift the anchor you must set it free,
with a bouy attached for obvious reasons. Or you could McGiver up one of
the many winches on the sailboat to help lift the anchor.
So sorry that you couldn't figure that out on your own. It wasn't that
tough.

anchor question?
 

On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.

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On 6/16/10 7:53 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/15/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher. You're some guy on a newsgroup who claims to
have great knowledge about cruising/anchoring. I asked a
straightforward, honest question.. how do you deal with 100 ft of
chain and big anchor if you can't use a windlass. It seems as though
you'd rather rest on your laurels vs. making a serious attempt to
answer a serious question. I even proposed driving up to above the
anchor, but that doesn't solve the problem of pulling up all that
weight. If you want to answer the question, if you're capable of
answering the question, go for it. Otherwise, you should probably just
admit that you don't have an answer and perhaps take the lesson
yourself and find a solution, since you're actually doing the cruising
and it might come in handy.


The answer is simple. If you can't lift the anchor you must set it free,
with a bouy attached for obvious reasons. Or you could McGiver up one of
the many winches on the sailboat to help lift the anchor.
So sorry that you couldn't figure that out on your own. It wasn't that
tough.



Which of the line-handing winches on a sailboat would you use to try to
pull up 100 feet of anchor chain and a large anchor? It's not like you
are in the navy, still, and part of a dumb gang crew of 100 men pressed
into doing the old heave-ho.

The newest piece of gear on most of the larger fishing charter boats in
the Bay almost invariably is the electric anchor windlass, because the
damned things burn out in that sort of constant use.