anchor question?
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley
wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

anchor question?
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:47:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is that
20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation. And, if you
have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a place that
potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that place, get
more
chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor.


Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.

anchor question?
 

"Wiley" wrote in message
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On 6/14/2010 2:49 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wiley" wrote in message
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On 6/13/2010 8:50 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/06/2010 5:48 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:50:21 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote:

The anchor chain (usually long as boat length), helps keep the
anchor
set
and makes it less likely to drag.

Last but not least, chain provides abrasion resistance where it is
most needed. A nylon rode dragging on the bottom will not last long,
particularly on a rocky or coral bottom.

Can't you be fined for damaging coral? I thought that was the norm
these
days. Seems like you shouldn't be anchoring where you can do
damage, so
that leaves sand, mud, and rocks (which sounds hard, no pun
intended).

Depends where you lay anchor. But if you were a boater you would know
that. But as usual, just a dumb she-it ...

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

Hey bozo... please tell us where you can put your anchor (assuming you
had one of course) on coral where you wouldn't damage it. I'm sure
there
are some places where you wouldn't be caught or where the locals don't
care, but since you're not going to be going to any of those places...

As usual, you demonstrate just how asinine you really are.


Play nice with the boys and you won't get your ass handed to you 50
times a day.

Let me know when you think you think you or anyone with your lack of
intelligence has "handed" my ass to me. You are certainly an idiot and
the only ass handling you're capable of would be you attempting to wipe
your own butt.


Ohhhh Nooooo. Half the fun is you not realizeing when it's been done.

Actually, half the fun is you thinking you're smarter than a post hole.

anchor question?
 

On Jun 14, 4:52*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley
wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. *:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be
of face value.

I will say that for the small runabout lake type boating, I really
don't have any need for an anchor that I know of. However, my 23 ft.
Marquis was used on lake Erie for fishing/cruising, and it came with a
plow-type anchor and it had about 8 ft. of chain between the rope and
the anchor, That's not quite half the length of the boat, but I can
see the principle of the idea as Wayne has described.

OK, I'm out.

anchor question?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley
wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment
one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster Diva
reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the
windlass?

I will say that for the small runabout lake type boating, I really
don't have any need for an anchor that I know of. However, my 23 ft.
Marquis was used on lake Erie for fishing/cruising, and it came with a
plow-type anchor and it had about 8 ft. of chain between the rope and
the anchor, That's not quite half the length of the boat, but I can
see the principle of the idea as Wayne has described.

OK, I'm out.

Why?

anchor question?
 

On 6/14/2010 6:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley
wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of
comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very last
post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster Diva
reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the
windlass?

I will say that for the small runabout lake type boating, I really
don't have any need for an anchor that I know of. However, my 23 ft.
Marquis was used on lake Erie for fishing/cruising, and it came with a
plow-type anchor and it had about 8 ft. of chain between the rope and
the anchor, That's not quite half the length of the boat, but I can
see the principle of the idea as Wayne has described.

OK, I'm out.

Why?


Maybe it's because you smell bad.

anchor question?
 

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

anchor question?
 

Wiley wrote:
On 6/14/2010 6:41 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 14, 12:18 am, wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:50:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Last but not least, chain provides abrasion resistance where it is
most needed. A nylon rode dragging on the bottom will not last
long,
particularly on a rocky or coral bottom.

Can't you be fined for damaging coral? I thought that was the norm
these
days. Seems like you shouldn't be anchoring where you can do
damage, so
that leaves sand, mud, and rocks (which sounds hard, no pun
intended).

Depends where you lay anchor. But if you were a boater you would
know
that. But as usual, just a dumb she-it ...

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

Hey bozo... please tell us where you can put your anchor (assuming
you had
one of course) on coral where you wouldn't damage it. I'm sure
there are
some places where you wouldn't be caught or where the locals don't
care,
but
since you're not going to be going to any of those places...

As usual, you demonstrate just how asinine you really are.
le

It turns out that there are stray bits of coral in many, many places.
They are scattered around the bottom like small rocks, are very sharp
and abrasive, and impossible to avoid in some areas. Since they are
not part of a living coral reef there is no real need to avoid them.

You have much to learn and should avoid being overly critical of those
who try to explain things to you.

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me that
there is a real need to avoid them.

As far as being overly critical, that's a reaction to the low-brow,
mean-spirited attitude of Canuck and a few others. I don't think
I've been
overly critical of you or Greg or others who have been civil and
helpful. If
you claim that I have "much to learn" (which I'm not disputing),
then it
seems to me if you want to contribute to my learning, one should be
civil
and not an ass.

Between the two of you, Wayne B is not the ass.

The little bitch wants us to be nice to her and teach her stuff? She
needs to do an attitude reversal before that will happen.
Well said.

anchor question?
 

YukonBound wrote:


"Wiley" wrote in message
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On 6/13/2010 8:50 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 13/06/2010 5:48 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:50:21 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote:

The anchor chain (usually long as boat length), helps keep the
anchor
set
and makes it less likely to drag.

Last but not least, chain provides abrasion resistance where it is
most needed. A nylon rode dragging on the bottom will not last long,
particularly on a rocky or coral bottom.

Can't you be fined for damaging coral? I thought that was the norm
these
days. Seems like you shouldn't be anchoring where you can do
damage, so
that leaves sand, mud, and rocks (which sounds hard, no pun
intended).

Depends where you lay anchor. But if you were a boater you would know
that. But as usual, just a dumb she-it ...

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

Hey bozo... please tell us where you can put your anchor (assuming you
had one of course) on coral where you wouldn't damage it. I'm sure
there
are some places where you wouldn't be caught or where the locals don't
care, but since you're not going to be going to any of those places...

As usual, you demonstrate just how asinine you really are.


Play nice with the boys and you won't get your ass handed to you 50
times a day.

You Dopers & wannabes can't find your own ass with both hands.... how
are you going to hand anyone else's??
Say what?

anchor question?
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

You're unable to read? I never thought he was and never said he was,
but you are certainly one.


Want to try to post a real sentence?