anchor question?
 

"Harry" wrote in message
m...
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.

LOL

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"YukonBound" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


If you're waiting for a show of humility from some of the 'know it alls'
in here, I hope you brought your lunch.
It'll be a long wait.

I brought my lunch... yes. :)

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 9:41 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

Relax Wayne B. there is no need to proceed any further. As a seasoned
sailor you have no credibility. After all, the wench has spoken.

That's right Wayne. You should listen to Mr. TopBozo

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"Moose" wrote in message
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On 6/16/2010 2:25 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:45 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of
good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot
from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would
have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy
if you
need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good
place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't
need
to have as much use for all chain.

There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain
without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing
it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it
provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster
because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain
offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so
far. You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you
would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still
a lot of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck
and the
Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going
to leave it?

What guage of chain and how heavy and what type of an anchor?

No idea. I'd imagine that chain/anchor for a 40' boat would be pretty
significant.

Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So,
you wouldn't even have a clue.

It is evident you don't own one D'Plume and never will. Especially
anything that would require 100 ft. of chain..

I've said I don't own a boat. I have been to the Carib, where a lot of
chain on a rental boat is pretty common. I bet you own one of the little
putt-putt boats that make a nuisance.


Ahhh I'ts a brand new day, The sun is low on the horizon. The birds are
chirping, and Nom De Plume Has been burning the midnight oil making a fool
of herself.
Hello World.

Ahh... you're still an idiot. Nothing has changed. Even the birds are
smarter.

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
om...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that
you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.

Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are,
and
you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid
that
place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me
that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is
that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation.
And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're
going
to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either
avoid
that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to
anchor.

Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly
37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really
be
with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the
conditions
before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two
cans
with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!

Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

... dumb and dumber...

Ah, again you are gazing into the magic mirror, D'Plume?

Looking at you and Moobozo.

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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley

wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully.
:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of
comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s]
were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand
Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very
last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne
all about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering
carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster
Diva reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much
chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems
to be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help
from the windlass?


You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass?

Keep on trollin'

Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it
fails to work. So, you're just an idiot.


You never asked that question.

You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar
AND an idiot.
No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****.

anchor question?
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from
it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have
at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if
you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good
place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that
so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was
thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but
that's still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism
failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with
adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and
the Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're
going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a
boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue.
Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost of
the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover it
you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. It only
"sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid.

anchor question?
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.


Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are,
and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to
avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to
me that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain.
Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to
interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and
you know you're going to a place that potentially has coral, seems
reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to
the locals before you try to anchor.


Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can
really be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about
the conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a
phone, VHF, two cans with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!


Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

So you don't think local knowledge is important... dumb and dumber...


For offshore anchoring miles away? Ever look at a chart, expert? It's
a bit tougher than a road map.

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Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 8:32 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote:
On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

You're not my teacher.

Perhaps not, you need one however.

Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday.

Creativity counts.

Joie de vivre counts more.

Savoir faire? Priceless.

You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to
answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning
experience for you. It's call humility.


You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish
and feed her for life.


I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage.
No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think
and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers.
To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can
understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn.


W'hine is an arrogant asshole. But your comment does prove my
oft-stated point here, that rec.boats is *not* the place to ask and
get answered serious boating questions. Fortunately, there are some
moderated discussion groups where ****heads like you would be tossed
at the first opportunity.
Has that ever happened to you? Is that why you still post your bull****
here?

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"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley

wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully.
:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of
comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s]
were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand
Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very
last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering
carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster
Diva reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much
chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to
be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from
the windlass?


You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass?

Keep on trollin'

Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it
fails to work. So, you're just an idiot.


You never asked that question.

You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar AND
an idiot.
No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****.

Well, you're a liar and a dip****. You win!