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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of
good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from
it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would
have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy
if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good
place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain
without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides
more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because
the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain
offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like
that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So,
I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor,
but that's still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism
failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with
adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and
the Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're
going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a
boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue.
Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost
of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover
it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them.
It only "sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid.

Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine website, an
anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100' of chain at $5/ft is
$500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the moron, is willing to leave on
the bottom. I guess stupid is as stupid does.


So your plan it to dive it and release it by hand? The loss is a small
price to pay.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some
ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just
keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have
sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.

I was trying to be nice and teach him something about words and meanings.
Sadly, he failed to learn anything.


If that was nice I'd hate to see your nasty, you little bitch.

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I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to
me that you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.


Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you
are, and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able
to avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in
the previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems
to me that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and
assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of
chain. Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to
interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and
you know you're going to a place that potentially has coral,
seems reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or
talk to the locals before you try to anchor.


Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can
really be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info
about the conditions before you go, because you're incapable of
using a phone, VHF, two cans with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!


Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

So you don't think local knowledge is important... dumb and dumber...


For offshore anchoring miles away? Ever look at a chart, expert?
It's a bit tougher than a road map.

?? Typically, when you go somewhere, you umm.. know where you're
going? Well, maybe not in your case. So, the chart gives you some
idea, but I guess you're unwilling to perhaps ask if there's another
boat already there? Yeah, you're dumb and arrogant. That's a bad
combination!



Sure. Ask the locals if there is a boat already anchored at your
destination. Good luck.

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Yes, it's called leverage. It's called woman power... vastly underrated,
much more impressive.

So I was driving around the Bahamas the other day on the wrong side of
the road, as is the quaint British custom here, and chanced upon a
sign saying: "Slow, Dangerous Curve". To which I said to my sweetie,
"nonsense, the most dangerous curve in the world is the one on a
woman's butt."

Hahaha... nice. Yes, that's true!

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley

wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully.
:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of
comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s]
were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand
Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very
last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne
all about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering
carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster
Diva reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much
chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but
the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to
be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from
the windlass?


You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass?

Keep on trollin'

Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it
fails to work. So, you're just an idiot.


You never asked that question.

You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar
AND an idiot.
No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****.

Well, you're a liar and a dip****. You win!


I never snipped the post. It's all on Google.

"And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the
windlass?" So, you're either a liar or stupid. You pick.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get
away with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks
the water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but
I have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree
with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front,
so that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might
be wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't
gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same
weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need
to fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of
a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one
mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't
give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort
force in a machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first
place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement.
Stay stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help
vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by
giving totally bogus information.


Bogus? I beg to differ.


Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then,
you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus
claims.


Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller
in question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line,
gives the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free,
and prevents damage to the hull/deck.
No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End
of discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me.


Wow. I guess you are stupid. I even copied and pasted the definitions for
you. You're a LOSER. Sorry, but you're the one leaving. I'm right here
posting.


Ever notice there are sometimes several different definitions for the same
word. You just happened to chose the wrong one for the application. Sorry.
You lose again.
I must admit that you are a persistant little booger.


Yeah, I was talking about a leveraged buyout. What an idiot!

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of
it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only
usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I
have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree
with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help
vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by
giving totally bogus information.


He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his
life... with distain and little respect.

I was trying to be nice and teach him something about words and meanings.
Sadly, he failed to learn anything.


If that was nice I'd hate to see your nasty, you little bitch.


Yes, you would hate to see it. Definitely.

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Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was,
perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly
substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of
boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it?


40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away
with
lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor
anyway to
handle different bottoms.
3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per
100'.
The 5/16" is probably good for your boat.
But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually
talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain.
And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the
water
surface.


For hand over handing Sinatra works best.

??


Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche.


Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl?

You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me
some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't.
Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I
have sailed plenty in the past.


Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with.
Count on it.


Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you
just want
to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work.

I know it won't work. lol

Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so
that would make it easy to get leverage.


Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be
wrong.


Yes, we know you don't think:

Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make
something easier.


Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain
you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight.

So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to
fess up.

Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a
two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical
advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you
mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a
machine), then why have a roller?

Would you like to try again?


Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place
since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay
stupid if you want. I don't care.


You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs.
spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving
totally bogus information.

We could argue thow dumb you are, but no one would disagree that you are
dumb.


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

In your case, no argument or even mention is needed... "thow" ????

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most
serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of
good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it
and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have
at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if
you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without
a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides
more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because
the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain
offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that
so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was
thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but
that's still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm
just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and
the Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going
to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat,
right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue.
Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost of
the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover it
you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. It only
"sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid.

Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine website, an
anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100' of chain at $5/ft is
$500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the moron, is willing to leave on the
bottom. I guess stupid is as stupid does.


So your plan it to dive it and release it by hand? The loss is a small
price to pay.

How about disconnecting the chain, attaching a light line to it that is long
enough to reach the surface, and have a small float on the end. Then, take
your handy, dandy GPS and mark the spot. Go into a dock, get some help from
the locals, and retrieve your anchor. What's the worst case... someone
steals it? You can't find it again? Nobody is willing to help?

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wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.


Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are,
and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to
avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to
me that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and
assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain.
Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to
interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you
know you're going to a place that potentially has coral, seems
reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to
the locals before you try to anchor.


Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really
be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the
conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone,
VHF, two cans with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!


Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

So you don't think local knowledge is important... dumb and dumber...


For offshore anchoring miles away? Ever look at a chart, expert? It's
a bit tougher than a road map.

?? Typically, when you go somewhere, you umm.. know where you're going?
Well, maybe not in your case. So, the chart gives you some idea, but I
guess you're unwilling to perhaps ask if there's another boat already
there? Yeah, you're dumb and arrogant. That's a bad combination!



Sure. Ask the locals if there is a boat already anchored at your
destination. Good luck.

Are you just pretending to be stupid? If there's another boat already
anchored when you get there, you go up and ask them about the bottom
conditions. I guess you're unable to ask for directions if you're driving
and get lost. No wonder you're used to wandering around like you're doing
here.