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Misunderstandings concerning JD Powers
The only wild accusation is the one made by you concerning JD Powers. You
have slandered a company based upon your knowledge of how someone has manipulated survey data from another company. You have stated you know that JD Powers manipulates questions on the survey to highlight the benefits of the company paying for the report, yet you have no proof of any such behavior. I do not work for any survey company, the only interest I have is not allowing someone to slander a reputable company without asking for some proof. So far all you have said is I know that some people have used tricks to get them better results on their CSI, which I agree can be done. NOW SHOW US ONE JD POWER SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN MANIPULATED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE COMPANY "PAYING FOR THE SURVEY" to the determent of the other companies listed on the survey. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Yes, there is clearly the sound of Chuck's Ox being gored. Or.. maybe something is hitting home for some reason. What? More fan mail from the guy who just claimed he "seldom sees" my posts? Isn't this the third or fourth personal comment today? Several based on wild speculations such as this? And, as ever, *no* discussion of the subject at hand. And all this after the recent, obvious lie that he had me "filtered"? Maybe I should be flattered. This guy seems to be fixated on a handful of personalities. How does one get so lucky? Last guy I knew that was named Wally came from a tiny little town called Fort Young, Wisconsin. As I recall, he wasn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. It was easy to remember his place of birth with three simple initials: FY, W. |
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Misunderstandings concerning JD Powers
A wise man once said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate
the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other". (Mathew 6:24) Applicability of this quote to the situation under consideration is left as an exercise for the reader. del "Spam Me Please" wrote in message news:7Zqpb.92814$Fm2.77913@attbi_s04... The only wild accusation is the one made by you concerning JD Powers. You have slandered a company based upon your knowledge of how someone has manipulated survey data from another company. You have stated you know that JD Powers manipulates questions on the survey to highlight the benefits of the company paying for the report, yet you have no proof of any such behavior. I do not work for any survey company, the only interest I have is not allowing someone to slander a reputable company without asking for some proof. So far all you have said is I know that some people have used tricks to get them better results on their CSI, which I agree can be done. NOW SHOW US ONE JD POWER SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN MANIPULATED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE COMPANY "PAYING FOR THE SURVEY" to the determent of the other companies listed on the survey. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Yes, there is clearly the sound of Chuck's Ox being gored. Or.. maybe something is hitting home for some reason. What? More fan mail from the guy who just claimed he "seldom sees" my posts? Isn't this the third or fourth personal comment today? Several based on wild speculations such as this? And, as ever, *no* discussion of the subject at hand. And all this after the recent, obvious lie that he had me "filtered"? Maybe I should be flattered. This guy seems to be fixated on a handful of personalities. How does one get so lucky? Last guy I knew that was named Wally came from a tiny little town called Fort Young, Wisconsin. As I recall, he wasn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. It was easy to remember his place of birth with three simple initials: FY, W. |
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Misunderstandings concerning JD Powers
I have expressed my opinion, and mentioned some actual experiences that cuase
me to distrust the results of satisfaction surveys. We have examined statements directly from JD Powers stating that they charge a fee to mfgrs to get the survey information. We have examined a statement directly from JD Powers that says the "winner has the option" to pay JD Powers a ton of dough to use the JD Powers name in advertising. If you're looking for the silver bullet- a statement from JD Powers that says, "Since we can sell the right to use our name for some pretty big dough, it makes sense for our winners to be predisposed to making such a purchase. We know which companies are willing to make that sort of investment in their marketing based upon our existing business relationships......" I can't furnish one, for obvious reasons. If you're looking for a silver bullet from a manufacturer who publicly admits lobbying for certain questions to be included or ommitted from a survey, once again I don't have one. Who would say, "Yeah, we came out #1, but that was because we managed to avoid very many satisfaction questions that dealt with this subject or that...we really did stink in those areas last year."? Glad to see you're so demanding in your burden of proof. I can only assume that in your desire to avoid being the biggest hypocrite in sight, you'll restrict your own opinions and conclusions to the same standard. "Unless its admitted by the party accused, it can't be true." That's a pretty tight standard. It will let the wind out of some of the personal comments you cannot seem to avoid making when you do whatever it is you're doing that is your version of a reasonable debate. Why not use your usual screen name? Ashamed? |
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You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the
bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser. No manufacturer has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys. All we have is a disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I have expressed my opinion, and mentioned some actual experiences that cuase me to distrust the results of satisfaction surveys. We have examined statements directly from JD Powers stating that they charge a fee to mfgrs to get the survey information. We have examined a statement directly from JD Powers that says the "winner has the option" to pay JD Powers a ton of dough to use the JD Powers name in advertising. If you're looking for the silver bullet- a statement from JD Powers that says, "Since we can sell the right to use our name for some pretty big dough, it makes sense for our winners to be predisposed to making such a purchase. We know which companies are willing to make that sort of investment in their marketing based upon our existing business relationships......" I can't furnish one, for obvious reasons. If you're looking for a silver bullet from a manufacturer who publicly admits lobbying for certain questions to be included or ommitted from a survey, once again I don't have one. Who would say, "Yeah, we came out #1, but that was because we managed to avoid very many satisfaction questions that dealt with this subject or that...we really did stink in those areas last year."? Glad to see you're so demanding in your burden of proof. I can only assume that in your desire to avoid being the biggest hypocrite in sight, you'll restrict your own opinions and conclusions to the same standard. "Unless its admitted by the party accused, it can't be true." That's a pretty tight standard. It will let the wind out of some of the personal comments you cannot seem to avoid making when you do whatever it is you're doing that is your version of a reasonable debate. Why not use your usual screen name? Ashamed? |
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You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the
bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser. And by your standards, if the loser yelled you would dismiss it as "unproven" without a direct admission from Powers or the winner. No manufacturer has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys. Manufacturer. Key word. No manufacturer has dared to publicly accuse JD Powers of accepting suggestions regarding the nature and content of the questions. (Which is all I ever said was done) All we have is a disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion. And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing turds. |
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Gould, your logic is: a survey can be biased, JD Powers is in business to
make money, hence they are biasing the survey to allow the person who will pay the most to win. That is a strong stand without any proof or even a copy of a survey showing bias. You stated all you have to do is look at Cobalt's survey to see the bias, when I asked you for a copy of the survey, you admitted you did not have one. It would not only be a manufacture, it would be competing survey companies, including CR who would be screaming foul. Without a survey showing bias, all you have is a totally unfounded "feeling". I am repulsed when anyone slanders someone else without any facts. You have gotten so used to using that logic in your political discussions that you think it is an acceptable debate tactic. It sounds just like the tabloids accusing Jon Benet Ramsey's parents of murder without any facts. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser. And by your standards, if the loser yelled you would dismiss it as "unproven" without a direct admission from Powers or the winner. No manufacturer has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys. Manufacturer. Key word. No manufacturer has dared to publicly accuse JD Powers of accepting suggestions regarding the nature and content of the questions. (Which is all I ever said was done) All we have is a disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion. And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing turds. |
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Heck, when you hear from others (with experience in designing survey's) and
who have actually completed the survey, who agree JD Powers survey's are not biased, your response is that they are biased in their opinion. I guess you are the one person whose opinion matters. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser. And by your standards, if the loser yelled you would dismiss it as "unproven" without a direct admission from Powers or the winner. No manufacturer has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys. Manufacturer. Key word. No manufacturer has dared to publicly accuse JD Powers of accepting suggestions regarding the nature and content of the questions. (Which is all I ever said was done) All we have is a disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion. And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing turds. |
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Gould 0738 wrote: And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing turds. Suppose my handle was not anonymous and I threw turds, would that be OK? -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I think I just won this argument. ; )
At least according to Gould I have. "Charles" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing turds. Suppose my handle was not anonymous and I threw turds, would that be OK? -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I think I just won this argument. ; )
At least according to Gould I have. No, Spankme, it's the *first* person to reduce the level opf debate to personal attacks. |
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