According to JD Powers, a company does not have to pay anything to have
their boat included in the general survey. Try reading for content.

Have you ever made a mistake and said, well I guess I was wrong?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Only a idiot with an
extremely short outlook would ever expect a company to sell their
reputation
for $30,000,

Try reading for content. The $30,000 is just the price to participate in
the
general survey. You want to use the Powers logo and implied endorsement in
your
ad campaign? Pony up, podner.

According to JD Powers, a company does not have to pay anything to have
their boat included in the general survey. Try reading for content.

Have you ever made a mistake and said, well I guess I was wrong?

You're right. The company only has to pay money if they want access to the
survey results. There is no charge to have your boat appear as an also ran if
you don't want to know how the results are running before the survey is
released to the public.

Yes, there is clearly the sound of Chuck's Ox being gored.

Or.. maybe something is hitting home for some reason.

What? More fan mail from the guy who just claimed he "seldom sees" my posts?
Isn't this the third or fourth personal comment today? Several based on wild
speculations such as this? And, as ever, *no* discussion of the subject at
hand. And all this after the recent, obvious lie that he had me "filtered"?
Maybe I should be flattered. This guy seems to be fixated on a handful of
personalities. How does one get so lucky?

Last guy I knew that was named Wally came from a tiny little town called Fort
Young, Wisconsin. As I recall, he wasn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. It was easy
to remember his place of birth with three simple initials:

FY, W.

The only wild accusation is the one made by you concerning JD Powers. You
have slandered a company based upon your knowledge of how someone has
manipulated survey data from another company. You have stated you know that
JD Powers manipulates questions on the survey to highlight the benefits of
the company paying for the report, yet you have no proof of any such
behavior. I do not work for any survey company, the only interest I have is
not allowing someone to slander a reputable company without asking for some
proof. So far all you have said is I know that some people have used tricks
to get them better results on their CSI, which I agree can be done.

NOW SHOW US ONE JD POWER SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN MANIPULATED TO HIGHLIGHT THE
FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE COMPANY "PAYING FOR THE SURVEY" to the
determent of the other companies listed on the survey.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Yes, there is clearly the sound of Chuck's Ox being gored.

Or.. maybe something is hitting home for some reason.

What? More fan mail from the guy who just claimed he "seldom sees" my
posts?
Isn't this the third or fourth personal comment today? Several based on
wild
speculations such as this? And, as ever, *no* discussion of the subject at
hand. And all this after the recent, obvious lie that he had me
"filtered"?
Maybe I should be flattered. This guy seems to be fixated on a handful of
personalities. How does one get so lucky?

Last guy I knew that was named Wally came from a tiny little town called
Fort
Young, Wisconsin. As I recall, he wasn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. It was
easy
to remember his place of birth with three simple initials:

FY, W.

A wise man once said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate
the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise
the other". (Mathew 6:24)

Applicability of this quote to the situation under consideration is left as
an exercise for the reader.

del

"Spam Me Please" wrote in message
news:7Zqpb.92814$Fm2.77913@attbi_s04...
The only wild accusation is the one made by you concerning JD Powers. You
have slandered a company based upon your knowledge of how someone has
manipulated survey data from another company. You have stated you know
that
JD Powers manipulates questions on the survey to highlight the benefits of
the company paying for the report, yet you have no proof of any such
behavior. I do not work for any survey company, the only interest I have
is
not allowing someone to slander a reputable company without asking for
some
proof. So far all you have said is I know that some people have used
tricks
to get them better results on their CSI, which I agree can be done.

NOW SHOW US ONE JD POWER SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN MANIPULATED TO HIGHLIGHT THE
FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE COMPANY "PAYING FOR THE SURVEY" to the
determent of the other companies listed on the survey.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Yes, there is clearly the sound of Chuck's Ox being gored.

Or.. maybe something is hitting home for some reason.

What? More fan mail from the guy who just claimed he "seldom sees" my
posts?
Isn't this the third or fourth personal comment today? Several based on
wild
speculations such as this? And, as ever, *no* discussion of the subject
at
hand. And all this after the recent, obvious lie that he had me
"filtered"?
Maybe I should be flattered. This guy seems to be fixated on a handful
of
personalities. How does one get so lucky?

Last guy I knew that was named Wally came from a tiny little town called
Fort
Young, Wisconsin. As I recall, he wasn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. It
was
easy
to remember his place of birth with three simple initials:

FY, W.

I have expressed my opinion, and mentioned some actual experiences that cuase
me to distrust the results of satisfaction surveys. We have examined statements
directly from JD Powers stating that they charge a fee to mfgrs to get the
survey information. We have examined a statement directly from JD Powers that
says the "winner has the option" to pay JD Powers a ton of dough to use the JD
Powers name in advertising.

If you're looking for the silver bullet- a statement from JD Powers that says,
"Since we can sell the right to use our name for some pretty big dough, it
makes sense for our winners to be predisposed to
making such a purchase. We know which companies are willing to make that sort
of investment in their marketing based upon our existing business
relationships......" I can't furnish one, for obvious reasons.

If you're looking for a silver bullet from a manufacturer who publicly admits
lobbying for certain questions to be included or ommitted from a survey, once
again I don't have one. Who would say, "Yeah, we came out #1, but that was
because we managed to avoid very many satisfaction questions that dealt with
this subject or that...we really did stink in those areas last year."?

Glad to see you're so demanding in your burden of proof. I can only assume that
in your desire to avoid being the biggest hypocrite in sight, you'll restrict
your own opinions and conclusions to the same standard. "Unless its admitted by
the party accused, it can't be true." That's a pretty tight standard. It will
let the wind out of some of the personal comments you cannot seem to avoid
making when you
do whatever it is you're doing that is your version of a reasonable debate.

Why not use your usual screen name?
Ashamed?

You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the
bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser. No manufacturer
has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys. All we have is a
disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I have expressed my opinion, and mentioned some actual experiences that
cuase
me to distrust the results of satisfaction surveys. We have examined
statements
directly from JD Powers stating that they charge a fee to mfgrs to get the
survey information. We have examined a statement directly from JD Powers
that
says the "winner has the option" to pay JD Powers a ton of dough to use
the JD
Powers name in advertising.

If you're looking for the silver bullet- a statement from JD Powers that
says,
"Since we can sell the right to use our name for some pretty big dough, it
makes sense for our winners to be predisposed to
making such a purchase. We know which companies are willing to make that
sort
of investment in their marketing based upon our existing business
relationships......" I can't furnish one, for obvious reasons.

If you're looking for a silver bullet from a manufacturer who publicly
admits
lobbying for certain questions to be included or ommitted from a survey,
once
again I don't have one. Who would say, "Yeah, we came out #1, but that was
because we managed to avoid very many satisfaction questions that dealt
with
this subject or that...we really did stink in those areas last year."?

Glad to see you're so demanding in your burden of proof. I can only assume
that
in your desire to avoid being the biggest hypocrite in sight, you'll
restrict
your own opinions and conclusions to the same standard. "Unless its
admitted by
the party accused, it can't be true." That's a pretty tight standard. It
will
let the wind out of some of the personal comments you cannot seem to avoid
making when you
do whatever it is you're doing that is your version of a reasonable
debate.

Why not use your usual screen name?
Ashamed?

You must not have had any experience in the real world, the winner of the
bogus survey would not be yelling, it would be the loser.

And by your standards, if the loser yelled you would dismiss it as "unproven"
without a direct admission from Powers or the winner.

No manufacturer
has ever accused JD Powers of using biased surveys.

Manufacturer. Key word. No manufacturer has dared to publicly accuse JD Powers
of accepting suggestions regarding the nature and content of the questions.
(Which is all I ever said was done)

All we have is a
disgruntled used car salesman with an opinion.

And an anonymous handle long ago out of ammunition and reduced to throwing
turds.