On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:13:12 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

Do you read for content or just pick out the cherry you want?
From your article
"While violent crime overall has been declining for about two decades,
there was a sharp increase in the violent crime rate in 2015.
Homicides have continued to spike in major cities this year, "

.... but it went down in New York to historic lows in 2014-15 with
murder being 3.1 per 100,000
"Crimes" doesn't mean much if you are lumping snatching a purse in
with murder.

This is what "science" looks like. You presented "opinion"
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

The top of that spike on your unlabeled chart was Koch/Dinkins and
when Guiliani/Bloomberg took over the big drop started. (14.5 to 3.1)
I understand you prefer opinion pieces that present the point you want
to make but I prefer actually looking at the numbers.
THAT is science.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 13:24:38 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:13:12 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

Do you read for content or just pick out the cherry you want?
From your article
"While violent crime overall has been declining for about two decades,
there was a sharp increase in the violent crime rate in 2015.
Homicides have continued to spike in major cities this year, "

... but it went down in New York to historic lows in 2014-15 with
murder being 3.1 per 100,000
"Crimes" doesn't mean much if you are lumping snatching a purse in
with murder.

This is what "science" looks like. You presented "opinion"
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

The top of that spike on your unlabeled chart was Koch/Dinkins and
when Guiliani/Bloomberg took over the big drop started. (14.5 to 3.1)
I understand you prefer opinion pieces that present the point you want
to make but I prefer actually looking at the numbers.
THAT is science.

Wanna make a bet? Although I'm sure Harry will respond to this and admit he f'ed up.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:13:12 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state)
resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal
law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time.
Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law
violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are
breaking.
Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any
difference at all?
I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will
make it better.
Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that
way to a true believer.



Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and
hope it works.


The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no
difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are
so biased and ignorant.

It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with
something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s
on it and cries "racism".
What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime
that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a
young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria?



There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk."
Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig.

You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet
is cooling. So what?
How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to
the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations?

BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too.



You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was
not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally?

At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in
other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was
happening generally".


Science:

https://is.gd/HyUr4s

The discussion had to do with shootings, not 'overall crime rates'. I suppose you missed that
altogether, eh Krause?