On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:36:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774


I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not
progressively liberal enough to dig
up the atrocity.

I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out.


We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency
Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said
about the drug
Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and
Â* come up with some program that will actually work.



Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by
re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his
buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh?


What works now?



Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of
those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to
counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from
doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys
(they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their
old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new,
less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to
work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar
meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals.

That is certainly the pattern but I think the doctors leaned on drugs
too much early on and not enough on physical therapy and saying "suck
it up pussy". I know I have been offered, almost forced, to take
prescriptions for drugs that were far too powerful for the pain I had
and do nothing to mitigate the cause. This is everyone from my sports
medicine guy to my dentist. In most cases that involve injury, the
drugs actually exacerbate the injury because being numb, you keep re
injuring yourself. Pain has a function in the body..
I will admit I am scared of "smack", in any form but that is because I
have lots of experience with people who have had trouble (or still
have trouble) with it. I also see little difference between Vicodin
and black tar heroin if you are taking it. That is why the transition
is so easy. When you chase the dragon you are putting your life on the
line.

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:36:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774



I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not
progressively liberal enough to dig
up the atrocity.

I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out.


We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency
Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said
about the drug
Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and
Â* come up with some program that will actually work.



Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by
re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his
buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh?


What works now?



Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of
those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to
counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from
doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys
(they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their
old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new,
less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to
work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar
meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals.

That is certainly the pattern but I think the doctors leaned on drugs
too much early on and not enough on physical therapy and saying "suck
it up pussy". I know I have been offered, almost forced, to take
prescriptions for drugs that were far too powerful for the pain I had
and do nothing to mitigate the cause. This is everyone from my sports
medicine guy to my dentist. In most cases that involve injury, the
drugs actually exacerbate the injury because being numb, you keep re
injuring yourself. Pain has a function in the body..
I will admit I am scared of "smack", in any form but that is because I
have lots of experience with people who have had trouble (or still
have trouble) with it. I also see little difference between Vicodin
and black tar heroin if you are taking it. That is why the transition
is so easy. When you chase the dragon you are putting your life on the
line.


Look at Steve Kerr, Warriors Basketball coach. He had failed back surgery.
He tells why he is a cannabis user. He said the opioids and their side
effects were way scary. And did no better job of relieving pain then pot
gummy bears, with a whole lot more bad sides.