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How will major media criticize this?
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? |
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How will major media criticize this?
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On 10/26/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. No, this isn't methadone. Something new. Methadone works, but it's a long, long process. I know of someone who got hooked on heroin when she was in high school, about 20 years ago. Started with Oxycontin following a knee injury playing soccer. She has gone through detox, rehabs, etc. and was put on methadone which she has been taking for years. The methadone caused her to lose most of her hair and she gained a lot of weight. I just saw her for the first time in a couple of years this week. The docs have been weaning her off the methadone slowly and now takes a fraction of what she used to take. Her hair is returning, she has lost about 40 lbs and looks great. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:10:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? The only thing I have seen that works is hitting bottom hard, sleeping outdoors and perhaps with a little prison time but it is still not a certainty. The "kid" (I still think of him as a kid but he is over 50) next door seems to have turned the corner but it had nothing to do with rehab. He just got tired of sleeping in the woods when he wasn't locked up. I know Harry will scoff but he found Jesus too. He is not devout but he did find friends there who accepted him and are not stoned all the time. I think the black sheep brother in my wife's family may be turning it around too but he is over 60. (same deal almost exactly) I have not heard from my Marine Recon buddy recently but he was still bouncing off the bottom the last time I heard from him. The VA might even be an enabler in that case. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:18:50 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. I'll have you know my gum habit runs less than $15/month! |
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How will major media criticize this?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:36:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. That is certainly the pattern but I think the doctors leaned on drugs too much early on and not enough on physical therapy and saying "suck it up pussy". I know I have been offered, almost forced, to take prescriptions for drugs that were far too powerful for the pain I had and do nothing to mitigate the cause. This is everyone from my sports medicine guy to my dentist. In most cases that involve injury, the drugs actually exacerbate the injury because being numb, you keep re injuring yourself. Pain has a function in the body.. I will admit I am scared of "smack", in any form but that is because I have lots of experience with people who have had trouble (or still have trouble) with it. I also see little difference between Vicodin and black tar heroin if you are taking it. That is why the transition is so easy. When you chase the dragon you are putting your life on the line. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:45:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Most who are not just admitting they are junkies, still have pain complaints but I often wonder how much of that is psychosomatic and how much is just "couch disease". That fibromyralgia thing leaps to mind here. If I sit around all day, my back hurts too. Get up and do something. I feel better after cutting up 100 cubic yards or so of trees and dragging them to the curb than I have in years. Yeah I was a little sore a few days but I got over it. My knee that I am going to the doctor for tomorrow is actually better now. I still am going to have him take a look but I doubt I will do anything about it. |
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