On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural
predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:58:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

From what I hear from folks up there , they are both coming.
Black bears may be one of the big successes (if you want to call it
that) in wildlife restoration. The black bears are in the NW DC
suburbs and between there and Baltimore It is just a matter of time
before they get to you if they are not there already. Usually you will
not see them until they are in your trash.
The one that was raiding the dumpster at the downtown hospital in Ft
Myers eluded everyone for close to a month. There were plenty of cell
phone videos but FWC couldn't find it. He was found eventually living
in a tree at a golf course, probably by someone looking for a lost
ball.


Hogs are on the opposite end of the environmental scale but they are
thriving too. They seem to be working their way up the coast through
Virginia and it is just a matter of time before they start walking
across the 301 bridge. With 3 litters a year, they populate a place
pretty fast and they can eat just about anything.`

On 8/25/2015 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:


What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

It is probably accurate tho. There is a lot of networking that goes on
at Temple. One of the salesmen at IBM was a JewCatholic agnostic but
he still went to temple with his devout brother now and then, just to
see his friends. He is the guy who explained the menorah to my
daughter when she thought she might try judaism.
We had one in the living room for the holidays and she had already lit
all of the candles before the first day of Hanukkah.



I've sometimes thought that if I were to ever become religious (other
than on commercial airplanes) I'd probably look seriously at Judaism.
I'd be a hypocrite though. My interest isn't in the teachings. I just
like some of the traditions and customs.

On 8/25/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:58:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

From what I hear from folks up there , they are both coming.
Black bears may be one of the big successes (if you want to call it
that) in wildlife restoration. The black bears are in the NW DC
suburbs and between there and Baltimore It is just a matter of time
before they get to you if they are not there already. Usually you will
not see them until they are in your trash.
The one that was raiding the dumpster at the downtown hospital in Ft
Myers eluded everyone for close to a month. There were plenty of cell
phone videos but FWC couldn't find it. He was found eventually living
in a tree at a golf course, probably by someone looking for a lost
ball.


Hogs are on the opposite end of the environmental scale but they are
thriving too. They seem to be working their way up the coast through
Virginia and it is just a matter of time before they start walking
across the 301 bridge. With 3 litters a year, they populate a place
pretty fast and they can eat just about anything.`



We keep our trash in tight containers in the garage and I take it to the
county dumpsters twice a week. It's paper/bottle/can trash, and we rinse
the cans and bottles out. The garbage goes down the disposals. That
being said, my wife believes she saw a bear halfway up a tree trunk a
couple of years ago just past our backyard. It was not a raccoon.

Ahh, the 301 bridge...what a fripping disaster. Takes an hour to clear
the traffic and get across, whether you are going to Virginia and
stopping for the toll (now $6 for a car) or coming back to Maryland. 301
is heavily traveled, and you would think by now Maryland, Virginia, and
the feds would have put up a replacement multi-lane bridge.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.


This was a several year old Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, no larger than an
average sized beagle, probably smaller.

Lots of those VN potbellied are huge.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.

On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.


This was a several year old Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, no larger than an
average sized beagle, probably smaller.

Lots of those VN potbellied are huge.


The one down the street is no larger than a beagle.

On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.



We don't have a deer problem, other than the occasional car-deer
collision. They're pretty and graceful animals, and my wife doesn't
begrudge them their snacks from her gardens and flowers. Further, I'm
reasonably sure they smell better than the guys who hunt them.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 1:38:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

Maybe he'd change his mind if a deer ran out in front of his imaginary Ducati.
Moot point, Deer are real.