On 7/22/2015 4:14 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:12:30 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.

Mexicans doing labor in the US or Mexicans doing skilled assembly jobs
in Mexico?

Mexico keeps all their skilled labor and pushes all low and no skilled
labor across the border to the promised land? Didn't know that. Thanks
for the enlightenment.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 7/22/2015 6:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Artificially inflated labor rates, Union management overheadungodly
benefits, cushy working conditions, (hire a union boy to plug in a light
cord? No thank you.)
Greedy union management and employees have been proven to kill viable
companies.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their
jobs, they're in a time warp.

On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their
jobs, they're in a time warp

Trump is polling at 25%
There must be a lot of people in the same time warp.



Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny,
it didn't seem to mean much to you last week.

Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help
bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a
third party Independent run. Who knows.

But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps
short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential
aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald.

Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can
articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP
candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist
than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed
demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and
several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's.

I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing
posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him.

On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can
articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP
candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist
than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue

If Donald Trump with all of his warts could make it in the business
world, why couldn't you, Mr Krause???

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a
bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but
you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their
jobs, they're in a time warp.

And why did those companies move the jobs? Maybe because they could not
afford to pay an uneducated laborer $135k with benefits to put lug nuts on
a car on an assembly line.

On 7/22/15 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their
jobs, they're in a time warp

Trump is polling at 25%
There must be a lot of people in the same time warp.



Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny,
it didn't seem to mean much to you last week.

It simply means that his anti-Mexican message is resonating in the
vacuum chamber of no message at all from anyone else.
I still do not believe he is going to survive the primaries.



Even if he doesn't, he can always decide to run as an Indy. In any case,
he is causing problems for the GOPers, which is good.

On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV
networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential
bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks
up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around
debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went
south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far
less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a
big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these
workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap
labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their
jobs, they're in a time warp

Trump is polling at 25%
There must be a lot of people in the same time warp.



Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny,
it didn't seem to mean much to you last week.

Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help
bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a
third party Independent run. Who knows.

But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps
short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential
aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald.

Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can
articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP
candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist
than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed
demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and
several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's.

I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing
posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him.




The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the
keys to the "football".

On 7/22/15 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV
networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential
bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would
support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks
up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks
assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around
debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went
south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless
peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far
less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio
operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a
big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these
workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap
labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers,
Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of
their
jobs, they're in a time warp

Trump is polling at 25%
There must be a lot of people in the same time warp.



Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny,
it didn't seem to mean much to you last week.

Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help
bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a
third party Independent run. Who knows.

But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps
short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential
aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald.

Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can
articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP
candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist
than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed
demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and
several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's.

I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing
posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him.




The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the
keys to the "football".



There are at least a dozen GOP wannabe's in the nominating race to whom
that comment could easily apply.

On 7/22/2015 12:58 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:


Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV
networks
will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do
something to walk back this John McCain thing his
presidential bid
will fail ... at least without significant democratic support.
That is still a possibility tho.

What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would
support?

I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks
up in
the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks
assume
all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around
debating the
virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar
democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections



Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they
went south
to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless
peopole
down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't
care
whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far
less in
salary and benefits.

You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know.

I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their
friends worked for Chrysler or Delco.
Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the
manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio
operation
went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their
friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was
a big
empty building.
Ask those people what they think of Mexicans.


Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these
workers...it is
their former employers. The anger should be directed at the
companies
who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap
labor and
weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some
workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers,
Vietnamese
workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate
employers who did them dirty.

Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact


And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone
knws
a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other,
but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American"
workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of
blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs.

If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of
their
jobs, they're in a time warp

Trump is polling at 25%
There must be a lot of people in the same time warp.



Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny,
it didn't seem to mean much to you last week.

It simply means that his anti-Mexican message is resonating in the
vacuum chamber of no message at all from anyone else.
I still do not believe he is going to survive the primaries.



Even if he doesn't, he can always decide to run as an Indy. In any case,
he is causing problems for the GOPers, which is good.

He's doing all he can do to give his buddy Hillery a leg up.

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Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."