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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 1:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 12:25 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp. And why did those companies move the jobs? Maybe because they could not afford to pay an uneducated laborer $135k with benefits to put lug nuts on a car on an assembly line. You're just jealous because those "uneducated laborer" types earned more per annum from salary and OT than you ever did, right, Bilious? College education followed by stimulating career vs high paying union grunt job. Which would you choose? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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#43
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 1:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a third party Independent run. Who knows. But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald. Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's. I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him. The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the keys to the "football". There are at least a dozen GOP wannabe's in the nominating race to whom that comment could easily apply. "Damn! I can't find my keys", Hillary replied as she searched the bottom of her pocketbook. |
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#44
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 1:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 1:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a third party Independent run. Who knows. But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald. Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's. I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him. The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the keys to the "football". There are at least a dozen GOP wannabe's in the nominating race to whom that comment could easily apply. "Damn! I can't find my keys", Hillary replied as she searched the bottom of her pocketbook. The aide who is strapped to and carries the football briefcase has the key. On the other hand, most of the women I see on the commuter bus heading downtown carry at least two large pocketbook type bags. |
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#45
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Is it your opinion that the millions of illegal Mexican immigrants in this country have no bearing on the job market? Or is that one too hard. Or maybe I'm not 'entitled' enough. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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#46
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:11:05 -0700, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:33:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. Working folks don't want the jobs illegal immigrants take. The only overlap might be in the construction industry and those guys are already scraping the IQ barrel from breathing portland cement dust. Which means they're voting Republican already. If they're part of the trades, they don't hire illegals for union gigs. Do working legal immigrants not want the jobs illegal immigrants take? Get your head out of Harry's sand pile. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Is it your opinion that the millions of illegal Mexican immigrants in this country have no bearing on the job market? Or is that one too hard. Or maybe I'm not 'entitled' enough. Well, they'd certainly keep you from getting a job. |
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#48
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:13:30 -0700, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:45:46 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Globalism has surely screwed the middle class, but given the choice between big business Republicans and their uber wealthy constituents and the Democrats who've always supported unions and the working class, those guys will still vote Dem. What ab out the big business Democrats and their uber (sic) wealthy constituents? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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#49
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 2:16 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Is it your opinion that the millions of illegal Mexican immigrants in this country have no bearing on the job market? Or is that one too hard. Or maybe I'm not 'entitled' enough. Well, they'd certainly keep you from getting a job. Guys John's age are usually fixed well enough that they don't need to go looking for work. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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Why the silence from JohnH?
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:15:24 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:11:05 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:33:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. Working folks don't want the jobs illegal immigrants take. The only overlap might be in the construction industry and those guys are already scraping the IQ barrel from breathing portland cement dust. Which means they're voting Republican already. If they're part of the trades, they don't hire illegals for union gigs. Do working legal immigrants not want the jobs illegal immigrants take? Get your head out of Harry's sand pile. Working legal immigrants are more likely to be educated, getting in through the worker visa process and using an attorney to complete the green card process. I've assisted two employees go through this very process. |
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