On 2/5/2014 5:30 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 2/5/14, 5:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/5/2014 5:18 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


My SIL has a Bodyguard. I didn't like it either. I took her to the
range to learn how to shoot it,
but it wasn't the gun I'd buy.

I like the Sig P938 much better.


How do they compare size wise? The one good thing about the Bodyguard
is that it was a good pocket size pistol. Problem was that if I ever
had to use it in a hurry for self-defense I'd probably hit the sucker in
the foot.



Pocket pistols give me the creepies. I dunno why. If I were buying a
carry pistol, it wouldn't fit in my pocket. My fav revolver probably is
the S&W 686.


For concealed carry, I liked the pocket sized S&W. I had a nylon pocket
holster for it. Thing is, in the summer at the guitar shop I often wore
light "T" shirts or something that made concealing a hip or back holster
a little difficult. You can always tell who's carrying in the summer.
They usually have a un-tucked shirt or a light jacket on, even in 90
degree weather. The pocket sized S&W Bodyguard was convenient that way
and was small enough to be inconspicuous. Many musicians are liberals
and don't take too kindly to a guy selling them a guitar with a gun on
his belt. :-)

I have a buddy who carries in an ankle holster. I get a kick out of
that. I could just picture myself being robbed up at the shop and
hopping around on one foot while asking the guy to hold on until I drew
my weapon.

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:11:23 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:30:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 5:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

How do they compare size wise? The one good thing about the Bodyguard
is that it was a good pocket size pistol. Problem was that if I ever
had to use it in a hurry for self-defense I'd probably hit the sucker in
the foot.



Pocket pistols give me the creepies. I dunno why. If I were buying a
carry pistol, it wouldn't fit in my pocket. My fav revolver probably is
the S&W 686.

You still should have a holster, even for a pocket pistol. I agree I
don't like the pocket idea either. When I was carrying I used a cross
draw hip carry or the good old shoulder holster if I was wearing a
suit. Both were accessible in the car.
Both

I was thinking about Dick's post last night. I'm halfway thinking of getting one of these:

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/te...ide-image2.png

They come especially made for various pistols, including the P938.

And then I wondered, why not just carry it in the front pocket of my jeans - without a holster. What
does the pocket holster do for you?

On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:20:11 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth

as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they

loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They

were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.



They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.

practice more..

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:19:35 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth

as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they

loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They

were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.



They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.





They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them

more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a

pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would

only make them "OK" shots.



Don't get into a gunfight.



They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at

their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big

targets.

The .45 takes care of that problem. Aim, pull, call it a day.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:30:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/5/14, 5:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/5/2014 5:18 PM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:12:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:



On 2/5/2014 4:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:56:41 -0600, Boating All Out

wrote:



In article ,

says...





Sharpshooters has classes to improve shooting skills. Cost is $125

for a two-hour one-on-one class

with the instructor. Bring the firearms and two boxes of ammo.

Might do it just for the hell of it.



Save your money. Take a golf lesson. Much harder than shooting.



I've wasted enough money on golf lessons. I need to spend a lot more

time practicing if I really

want to improve. I don't see myself doing that.





I've noticed at the range that there are some people very proficient in

shooting who are always willing to watch your stance, shooting style and

offer suggestions. When I had the S&W Bodyguard and was constantly

shooting low, one guy (turns out he's on the club competition pistol

shooting team) pointed out what I was doing wrong. He helped a lot but

I still didn't like that pistol. I suppose if it was the only handgun

you had and shot, you'd become very familiar with it but when you shoot

other handguns as well, it becomes a pain in the ass to concentrate on

the idiosyncrasies of one gun.



My SIL has a Bodyguard. I didn't like it either. I took her to the

range to learn how to shoot it,

but it wasn't the gun I'd buy.



I like the Sig P938 much better.





How do they compare size wise? The one good thing about the Bodyguard

is that it was a good pocket size pistol. Problem was that if I ever

had to use it in a hurry for self-defense I'd probably hit the sucker in

the foot.







Pocket pistols give me the creepies. I dunno why. If I were buying a

carry pistol, it wouldn't fit in my pocket. My fav revolver probably is

the S&W 686.

Over a period of time I've gotten to be great friends with my Hungarian FEG-PA63 in 9mm Makarov. At 50 ft. I can rapidly empty the clip and ping up a gallon paint can lid with ease.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._with_Clip.jpg

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:21:12 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:


How do they compare size wise? The one good thing about the Bodyguard

is that it was a good pocket size pistol. Problem was that if I ever

had to use it in a hurry for self-defense I'd probably hit the sucker in

the foot.

Well, Rich. That's a start...

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 7:46:05 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:



On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth

as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they

loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They

were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.



They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.





They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them

more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a

pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would

only make them "OK" shots.



Don't get into a gunfight.



They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at

their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big

targets.





Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self

defense" range most of the instructors use.



The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)

out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.



You should be able to shoot

offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven

yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses

might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a

foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.



That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is

a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the

navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.



And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I

have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"



You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser



At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and

all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a

cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut

it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.



Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

You ought to see how those lasers show up in fog. either light or heavy...

On 2/6/2014 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

Let them laugh. Your mission is to improve your skills and have fun.