On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:35:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.


That is a good reason to own a "blue gun" (a training replica of your
real gun). You can take that just about anywhere without being
arrested., Mere mortals (people without a CCW license) can end up in
jail for having a pistol in Md, loaded or not. There are very few
exceptions to that law and going to the doctor is not one of them.


I live in Virginia, where just about everyone carries 'cause it's so easy to get a back door special
at all the gun shows, you know.

On 2/6/14, 12:06 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.

Not possible with my eyeballs. My computer glasses are good from about 18" to 3'. My distance
glasses are good from about 5' on out. I should be wearing tri-focals, but I can't stand the damn
things. I could get a pair that had the computer Rx on the bottom and the distance Rx on the top.
Then I could bob my head up and down to shoot - look at the target then the sight. :)

Today I practiced shooting using my best eye, the left one. That helped. I had been shooting using
my right eye, which has a cataract along with some other ****.

Hey, I can bang the hell out of a cantaloupe at 7 yards. Good enough for night work down the
staircase.


Shooting cantaloupes can get messy...and expensive!

Try one eye with your computer glass RX and the other eye with your
distance RX.

On 2/6/14, 12:08 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.


A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:28:21 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

===

It is an issue. :-)

It's great for working on your stance and grip however, and batteries
are a lot cheaper than ammo. I bought one on Amazon for my 9mm and it
improved my accuracy a lot. It's an easy install if you have a small
Weaver rail built into the bottom of the barrel.

Now see, there's an idea I hadn't thought of. Thanks!

I saw one at a gun show a while back that was only about $20.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:31:35 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

Thank you too for the laser info.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:05:52 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:

Over a period of time I've gotten to be great friends with my Hungarian FEG-PA63 in 9mm Makarov. At 50 ft. I can rapidly empty the clip and ping up a gallon paint can lid with ease.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._with_Clip.jpg

I have a couple of the CZ-82's in 9mm Makarov. Great pistols, very accurate, and cheap! Good capacity too with the 12+1 system.

On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:52:01 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 11:18 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:36 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:34 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked
what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys
were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six
shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and
that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from
about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel
orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting
glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house
and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he
can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it
makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we
train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything
controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are
happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...
It's perfectly OK with me that you disagree with your interpretation of
what I said. ;-)

Well, why not tell us what you were saying then.... Cause a reasonable
person could believe you were leading to a discussion as to weather it's
good to wear them at the range, if you won't have them otherwise, tell
me where I'm wrong??
If you rely on a crutch to make your way around the house, it follows
that you should take the crutch with you when you go out for a walk.
Does that sound reasonable?

Not really.... I wear glasses, I am sure I could shoot someone without
them just fine though...

Without my glasses I'd see two people, one above the other. Then I'd have to pick which one to
shoot. I used to be a good diver. Now when I try to dive without my glasses I see two ends of the
board. One appears to be about a foot further out than the other. Don't know which to aim for.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:14:10 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:06 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight.

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.

Not possible with my eyeballs. My computer glasses are good from about 18" to 3'. My distance
glasses are good from about 5' on out. I should be wearing tri-focals, but I can't stand the damn
things. I could get a pair that had the computer Rx on the bottom and the distance Rx on the top.
Then I could bob my head up and down to shoot - look at the target then the sight. :)

Today I practiced shooting using my best eye, the left one. That helped. I had been shooting using
my right eye, which has a cataract along with some other ****.

Hey, I can bang the hell out of a cantaloupe at 7 yards. Good enough for night work down the
staircase.


Shooting cantaloupes can get messy...and expensive!

Try one eye with your computer glass RX and the other eye with your
distance RX.

I'll do something like that after the cataract surgery.