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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:28:17 AM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:20:09 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: Some, like S&W have been at full capacity for the past 5 years, indicating a strong demand for their products. Additionally, new applications for permits have been at record levels. Despite this, gun related homicides nationally are declining. Which would seem to disprove the title of this thread, and the supposed statistical link claimed by the study. Some dimwits aren't smart enough to realize that these two ideas are not at odds with one another. You can have both a declining homocide rate and a higher rate of homicide in regions with higher gun ownership. Yet Chicago, with its tough gun laws, has a high rate. "Even supporters of the city's gun laws admit they don't address the social problems behind the shootings that continue to plague Chicago—400 so far this year. "You can try to legislate morality but it's really not something you can do," says Jason Ervin, alderman of the 28th Ward, a stretch of Chicago's west side battered by crime and disinvestment." So guns aren't really the problem, eh? Some people have the academic credentials and investment into the subject matter to make claims and some people do not. Why don't you dimwits leave the thinking to those with brains enough to do so. You don't have the credentials to make the statements above. After all, you think that people with an academic background magically don't have an agenda when writing a report. How naïve is that? |
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:20:43 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You don't have the credentials to make the statements above. After all, you think that people with an academic background magically don't have an agenda when writing a report. How na�ve is that? It's not naive. The numbers are the numbers. You just don't want to face facts. There's absolutely no proof, and very little chance, that the "numbers" in this case are based on reality. As others point out, getting factual data on gun ownership is impossible. Doesn't have anything to do with laws, just density of ownership (yes, double entendre). Clever, but you point out that homicide rate has nothing to do with law. So what's the point of outlawing guns? If someone wants to own one and kill with it, they will regardless of any existing or new law. Besides, I'll wager that the area I live in has as high or an even higher density of gun ownership than Chicago (gun lovin southerners), but far fewer deaths per capita than same. As the alderman I quoted earlier pointed out, it's not the guns, it's "morality", and that can't be legislated. |
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