Researchers in the United States claim to have established a
convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,
according to a new study.

The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,
challenges the National Rifle Association’s claim that increased gun
ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.

Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that
for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a
given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.

In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the
study used a proxy variable — the percentage of a state’s suicides
committed with a firearm — that has been validated in previous
research.

The study, led by Boston University community health sciences
professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December
2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in
Newtown, Connecticut.

“In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown … many states are
considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths,” said
Siegel in a statement.

“This research is the strongest to date to document that states with
higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers
of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” he said.

“It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall
prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.”

The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated
percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in
Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national
average of 57.7 percent.

The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent
per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an
average for all states of four per 100,000.

The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide
for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in
2010.

Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in
the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is
available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.

On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:38:46 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
Researchers in the United States claim to have established a

convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,

according to a new study.



The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,

challenges the National Rifle Association s claim that increased gun

ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.



Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that

for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a

given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.



In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the

study used a proxy variable the percentage of a state s suicides

committed with a firearm that has been validated in previous

research.



The study, led by Boston University community health sciences

professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December

2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in

Newtown, Connecticut.



In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown many states are

considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths, said

Siegel in a statement.



This research is the strongest to date to document that states with

higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers

of deaths from firearm-related homicides, he said.



It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall

prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.



The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated

percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in

Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national

average of 57.7 percent.



The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent

per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an

average for all states of four per 100,000.



The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide

for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in

2010.



Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in

the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is

available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention.

Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they "observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns."

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/

On 9/13/13 7:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:38:46 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
Researchers in the United States claim to have established a

convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,

according to a new study.



The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,

challenges the National Rifle Association s claim that increased gun

ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.



Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that

for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a

given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.



In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the

study used a proxy variable the percentage of a state s suicides

committed with a firearm that has been validated in previous

research.



The study, led by Boston University community health sciences

professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December

2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in

Newtown, Connecticut.



In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown many states are

considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths, said

Siegel in a statement.



This research is the strongest to date to document that states with

higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers

of deaths from firearm-related homicides, he said.



It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall

prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.



The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated

percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in

Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national

average of 57.7 percent.



The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent

per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an

average for all states of four per 100,000.



The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide

for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in

2010.



Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in

the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is

available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention.

Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they "observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns."

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/


That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are
decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no
gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the
western world.

On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/13/13 7:10 AM, Tim wrote:

On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:38:46 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:

Researchers in the United States claim to have established a



convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,



according to a new study.







The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,



challenges the National Rifle Association s claim that increased gun



ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.







Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that



for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a



given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.







In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the



study used a proxy variable the percentage of a state s suicides



committed with a firearm that has been validated in previous



research.







The study, led by Boston University community health sciences



professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December



2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in



Newtown, Connecticut.







In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown many states are



considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths, said



Siegel in a statement.







This research is the strongest to date to document that states with



higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers



of deaths from firearm-related homicides, he said.







It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall



prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.







The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated



percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in



Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national



average of 57.7 percent.







The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent



per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an



average for all states of four per 100,000.







The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide



for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in



2010.







Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in



the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is



available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and



Prevention.



Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they "observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns."



http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/





That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are

decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no

gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the

western world.


For every statement, poll, or study, there's always an opposing view, Harry.. You should know that...

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/13/13 7:10 AM, Tim wrote:



Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun
control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they
"observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls
tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow
guns."



http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/


That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are

decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually
no

gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the

western world.


For every statement, poll, or study, there's always an opposing view,
Harry. You should know that...

-------------------------------


Hard statistics have value but some of these gun issue polls are
really questionable. The University of Chicago does a poll every two
years trying to get an idea of overall gun ownership numbers. They
call something like 2000 people and ask, "Do you own a firearm".

Who, in their right mind, is going to answer someone asking a question
like that based on a telephone call from an unknown "pollster", and
if they do, how reliable are their answers?

Without a national gun registry the only way to estimate the growth or
decline of gun ownership is to look at the manufacturer's production
numbers.
Some, like S&W have been at full capacity for the past 5 years,
indicating a strong demand for their products. Additionally, new
applications for permits have been at record levels. Despite this,
gun related homicides nationally are declining.

On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:20:09 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Some, like S&W have been at full capacity for the past 5 years,
indicating a strong demand for their products. Additionally, new
applications for permits have been at record levels. Despite this,
gun related homicides nationally are declining.

Which would seem to disprove the title of this thread, and the supposed statistical link claimed by the study.

On 9/13/2013 7:44 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/13/13 7:10 AM, Tim wrote:

On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:38:46 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:

Researchers in the United States claim to have established a



convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,



according to a new study.







The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,



challenges the National Rifle Association s claim that increased gun



ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.







Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that



for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a



given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.







In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the



study used a proxy variable the percentage of a state s suicides



committed with a firearm that has been validated in previous



research.







The study, led by Boston University community health sciences



professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December



2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in



Newtown, Connecticut.







In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown many states are



considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths, said



Siegel in a statement.







This research is the strongest to date to document that states with



higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers



of deaths from firearm-related homicides, he said.







It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall



prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.







The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated



percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in



Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national



average of 57.7 percent.







The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent



per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an



average for all states of four per 100,000.







The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide



for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in



2010.







Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in



the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is



available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and



Prevention.



Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they "observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns."



http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/





That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are

decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no

gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the

western world.


For every statement, poll, or study, there's always an opposing view, Harry.. You should know that...

Not only that, studyies usually turn out the way the sponsor wants.

On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:22:25 AM UTC-5, Hank© wrote:
On 9/13/2013 7:44 AM, Tim wrote:

On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 9/13/13 7:10 AM, Tim wrote:



On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:38:46 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:



Researchers in the United States claim to have established a







convincing statistical link between gun ownership and homicide,







according to a new study.















The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health,







challenges the National Rifle Association s claim that increased gun







ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.















Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that







for every one percentage point in the prevalence of gun ownership in a







given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.















In the absence of state-level data on household gun ownership, the







study used a proxy variable the percentage of a state s suicides







committed with a firearm that has been validated in previous







research.















The study, led by Boston University community health sciences







professor Michael Siegel, is the first of its kind since the December







2012 mass shooting of 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in







Newtown, Connecticut.















In the wake of the tragic shooting in Newtown many states are







considering legislation to control firearm-related deaths, said







Siegel in a statement.















This research is the strongest to date to document that states with







higher levels of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers







of deaths from firearm-related homicides, he said.















It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall







prevalence of guns will lower firearm homicide rates.















The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated







percentage of gun ownership ranged from a low of 25.8 percent in







Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national







average of 57.7 percent.















The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent







per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an







average for all states of four per 100,000.















The study also acknowledged a long-term decline in firearm homicide







for all states, from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in







2010.















Firearms were involved in 11,078 homicides of the 16,259 homicides in







the United States in 2010, the latest year for which data is







available, according to the Centers for Disease Control and







Prevention.







Kates and Mauser clarify that they are not suggesting that gun control causes nations to have higher murder rates, rather, they "observed correlations that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns."







http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...ence-with-ban/











That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are



decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no



gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the



western world.





For every statement, poll, or study, there's always an opposing view, Harry.. You should know that...



Not only that, studies usually turn out the way the sponsor wants.

Oh yes...

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:44:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are

decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no

gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the

western world.


For every statement, poll, or study, there's always an opposing view, Harry. You should know that...

And some of those "studies" are based on pure bull****. This is an
academic study with no agenda nor benefactor, unlike the NRA's
"studies" or gun manufacturer funded "studies."

On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:



That's an absurd posit on the part of Kates and Mauser. There are

decades of evidence showing that the United States, with virtually no

gun controls, has among the highest rates of murder by gun in the

western world.

Cook County/ Chicago IL. has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, yet one of, if not the highest gun/murder rates in the nation as well. so....