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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 11:08 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. What if you are not in the "Public Accommodation business"? The best you can rightfully say is "Uh qualified no" and Mr Luddite can rightfully say "Uh qualified yes". Sorry, you lose again. |
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/2013 11:21 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination in the public accommodation business. If you'd get your conditions and qualifiers out in the open at the get go, instead of throwing them in the middle of a discussion,folks would have an easier time of pinning you down. And, Oh, that goes for Loogie too |
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#64
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
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says... On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to. You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or personal business. As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce. So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks, Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he is an asshole, but I am not sure about that. I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service, as can any business refuse anyone service. I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no matter what. Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes. What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination in the public accommodation business. What I said was that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they like, you said they didn't. That simply is not true. |
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#68
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On 9/19/13 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:30:32 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 12:10 PM, wrote: Not only that the ADA requires that you make accommodations so that anyone with any kind of handicap has to have access to EVERY part of your business open to the public. A case in point. In Ft Myers there was a restaurant with 4 or 5 tables on a small elevated platform in back that was not accessible. There were dozens of tables in the same room that were accessible, same food, same service. The owner was sued out of existence because he would not remove 12 or more tables to build a ramp. The only unprotected class in he US is healthy, heterosexual, white, males. You can throw then out any time you want. Awwwwww. Poor baby. That Ft. Myers restauranteur could have simply removed the platform and put in four more tables. It was a structural part of the building, not just a deck. The building was "historic" and changes were limited. I suspect that most people in this country have decided that discrimination of the sort under discussion is not in our national interest. Women, for example, still only earn 75% of the pay men earn for doing similar work. Wasn't the Publix supermarket chain in your area in hot water a decade or so ago for non promoting women to managerial jobs? I am not sure about that. One of my stores has a woman general manager and there is a fairly good mix of women department managers around here. Maybe that is just an old story You did notice the phrase "a decade or so ago," right" |
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#69
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses. Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the business. I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within the rights of the business owner. |
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Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
On 9/19/13 2:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other. Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun- owners be treated like smokers. Just don't seem right. If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will? Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful! It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right. What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody? Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard. But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early. Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want. Uh, no. Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business. That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want without a reason that doesn't violate the law. So, the answer remains, "Uh, no." Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses. Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the business. I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within the rights of the business owner. I said you couldn't discriminate for reasons that violated the law and, also, I doubt your guitar show came under the umbrella of a public accommodation. Words are important. |
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