On 12/27/2012 12:55 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:23:41 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg


or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and
tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and
trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV
in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded
them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still
had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to
drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st
class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out
of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost
driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with
Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state,
if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the
hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples'
bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes
behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't
want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need
two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Howjuh come up with $1200

I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with
$1200 for gas!

I didn't mean it that way.

Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round
trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like
I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the
rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a
trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I
had a small kitchen in the pop up.

Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many
of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot
of features.

http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/

Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is
nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races
are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the
bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long
over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow
the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle"
available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or
once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could
travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine.

And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth
wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from
pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could
stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the
trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet
and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is
exactly where Jess and I are trying to be.



Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering.
RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 )

As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money
on a pickup camper!


But!!!

Whatever you do, don't order a Predator generator from Harbor Freight!

They're noisy, heavy, consume too much fuel, will get you run out of campsites, don't last more than
a few hours, are ugly, and noisy.

I cancelled my order after getting all the free advice here. I'm going to put the Honda on my list
for next Christmas - being just as 'commercial' as I can be!


Well, I have two generators... neither of which I bring camping. Both
too noisy, one of them even for daytime the other one a Harbor Freight
(actually Lowe's) special... If I had a Honda, or a Yamaha, etc I
would love to have a 2000 even though the 1000 is soooo much quieter.