On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and
tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to
drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost
driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with
Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state,
if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples'
bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Howjuh come up with $1200

On 12/27/2012 8:35 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg


or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike
and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in
his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still
had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something
to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st
class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of
our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time
lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along
with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every
state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the
hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other
peoples' bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes
behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't
want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My
first assignment after I finished
my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA -
just outside Ayer. I had to go to
Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't
find the damn town on the map,
so I got a little assistance from a local.

Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around
15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would
cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas
for the motorcycle. When we
bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process.



Shouldn't you be on the road again?

When did you become a dispatcher?

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished
my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to
Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map,
so I got a little assistance from a local.

Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would
cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we
bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process.



Shouldn't you be on the road again?

March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as
highly of you as you would wish given your status and all.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and
tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to
drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost
driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with
Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state,
if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples'
bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Howjuh come up with $1200

I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas!

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...


Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.

---------------------------------------------------

Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with
it and had the most miserable week of my life.

My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and
were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and
my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family"
camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought
the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth
wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy
hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth
wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's
the same day at the dealership.

My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground
in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of
it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each
other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the
Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.

Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the
hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every
afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC
units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured
outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.

One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying
to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His
young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat
talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area
door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door,
and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the
vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had
filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets
and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware
store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water.

Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son
and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and
her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit
the road.

By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's
spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had
just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle
snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with
a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.

So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his
truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing
the trailer.
Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.

The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV
classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.

BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When
I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun
to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow
class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the
three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but
we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We
ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it
home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels
in it.

Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much
rather live on a boat.

On 12/27/2012 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished
my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to
Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map,
so I got a little assistance from a local.

Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would
cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we
bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process.


Oooops, sorry, it was 600 dollars... both ways. The rig we travel in a
55 foot Funmover style motorhome, not a fifth wheel. It tows a 45 foot
trailer behind. The back section of the Funmover is full of enough parts
and machinery to build two complete bikes and with Jessis bikes in the
trailer there can be as many as 10 bikes in there I am going to call
him later and confirm.. There is a chance he used 600 in gas but I still
think he said 12 over the weekend. I saw him put in 300, twice anyway.

On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished
my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to
Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map,
so I got a little assistance from a local.

Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would
cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we
bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process.



Shouldn't you be on the road again?

March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as
highly of you as you would wish given your status and all.



You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a
half an hour from your house? In March?

I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper
trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do.

On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and
tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still
had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to
drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st
class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost
driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with
Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state,
if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the
hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples'
bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes
behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't
want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Howjuh come up with $1200

Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later
after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the
gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it,
but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however
is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I
forgot the golf cart

On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and
tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to
drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost
driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with
Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state,
if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs,
given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first
trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples'
bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around
town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for
travel

Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This
is what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.


Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team.
That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't
sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know
about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to
Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off
weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us.

Howjuh come up with $1200

I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas!


Yeah, I couldn't afford to race if I had to do that....

On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...


Here ya go!

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf

Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is
what's called a 'Toy Hauler'
fifth wheel.

---------------------------------------------------

Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it
and had the most miserable week of my life.

My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and
were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my
older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping.
I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy
Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch
installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would
come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford
250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the
dealership.

My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground
in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it
is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.
The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor
with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.

Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the
hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every
afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC
units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured
outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.

One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to
have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young
daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I
looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the
master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of
water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in
the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink
and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into
the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet
vac while the rest started sopping up the water.

Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and
his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her
husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the
road.

By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's
spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had
just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle
snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a
broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.

So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck
to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the
trailer.
Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.

The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV
classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.

BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I
first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to
make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class
A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three,
I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we
eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We
ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it
home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in
it.

Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much
rather live on a boat.




We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV
and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few
days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was
infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much
bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time.

The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he

http://mainestayinn.com/

No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great
breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping
and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at
Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W.
Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were
about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach
and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I
love the Maine coastline.

On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see
relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine
Stay. No bugs.