On 12/28/12 2:52 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 12/28/2012 10:28 AM, wrote:
On Friday, December 28, 2012 10:15:06 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/28/12 8:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...



On 12/27/2012 5:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:37:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:36:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



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On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:

On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:











"GuzzisRule" wrote in message



...











Here ya go!







http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf







Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is



what's called a 'Toy Hauler'



fifth wheel.







---------------------------------------------------







Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it



and had the most miserable week of my life.







My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and



were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my



older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping.



I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy



Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch



installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would



come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford



250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the



dealership.







My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground



in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it



is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.



The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor



with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.







Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the



hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every



afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC



units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured



outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.







One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to



have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young



daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I



looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the



master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of



water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in



the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink



and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into



the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet



vac while the rest started sopping up the water.







Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and



his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her



husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the



road.







By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's



spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had



just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle



snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a



broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.







So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck



to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the



trailer.



Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.







The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV



classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.







BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I



first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to



make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class



A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three,



I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we



eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We



ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it



home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in



it.







Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much



rather live on a boat.



















We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV



and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few



days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was



infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much



bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time.







The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he







http://mainestayinn.com/







No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great



breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping



and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at



Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W.



Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were



about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach



and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I



love the Maine coastline.







On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see



relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine



Stay. No bugs.



That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future.

The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born.





Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when

we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad.

There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away,

and it is worth a day's visit.



Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere,

shop and go to a mall.



If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well

worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows

tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery



If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a

great treat.



I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell didn't

spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping.



And you didn't visit the LLBean store?



No, I can buy LL Bean stuff from their catalog. I had better things to

do than shop.



The LLBean store has much more than just shopping.



But, I understand your reluctance to engage in such a thing.





Care to enlighten me?



They have a lot of touristy things to get you there to shop.







First, the L.L. Bean flagship store ain't in Kennebunkport. The flagship

store is huge, and there are other L.L. Bean stores in the same town,

including hunting, fishing, boating stores. If you like what the stores

sell, the flagship store in Freeport is a great place to visit.



Second, it is a very large, very interesting store with lots of

displays and merchandise that isn't necessarily in the catalog.



Third, if you are interested in what L.L. Bean sells, and you still have

questions, you can see the actual merchandise at the big store and ask

questions. Sure, you can also do this at any of the L.L. Bean retail

stores, but none of the retail stores has the variety of selection and

sizes on hand as the "home" store.



Fourth, visiting the flagship store of L.L. Bean is an interesting

experience.



I like the L.L. Bean stores. In fact, on our infrequent visits to

Northern Virginia, it is one of three stores there I'll waste time in at

the big Tysons shopping mall while my wife shops. The other two are the

Apple store and Restoration Hardware.

I have to get back to get my LL Bean Hunting boots re-soled.
I could mail them from here and get them back but at $45.00 for new lower rubber portion and shipping both ways etc, it'd probably be cheaper to just buy a new pair.
I've had the boots since 1993 and they still look great...although the 'chain' type traction patern on the soles has gotten mighty smooth.


I wonder what Krause finds so fascinating about Restoration Hardware.
Neither my wife or my wife were impressed with the one we were in two
weeks ago

I only have to travel three miles or so to one. Why on EARTH would I
travel across the country, sit in a hotel room and go to Restoration
Hardware??


I dunno. Why would you? I don't.

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:11:12 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:28:34 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:20:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:42:52 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

True, but once you get up to those $300-$500 a night rooms, RV's start looking pretty good!

Not unless you spend more than 3 weeks on the road a year.
Just the amortization of the cost of the RV was more than we spent on
rooms, rentacars and air fare when we ran the numbers with my RV owner
neighbor (based on losing 50% of the purchase price in 5 years).

That was a conservative guess

Well, a big part of that depends on the purchase price of the RV. Ours wasn't near six figures -
unless you include the truck, which I don't 'cause I needed it anyway.

Unless you really need a big truck for something else, you have to
include the truck. Those guys with 5th wheelers look pretty funny at
home depot with a dually.

Those guys with a dually have a *big* dick, or so I've heard. The extra capacity afforded by the
dually is about 1100lbs for the Silverado 2500 diesel. There are a bunch of cons.

I needed that truck to haul stuff with. Actually, the one I had prior to this one hauled stuff, but
I gave it to a nephew.

I will never be without a pickup. The downside is that others like that
I own one!!

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On 12/28/12 2:50 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:34:44 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/27/2012 5:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:37:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:36:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...





Here ya go!



http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf



Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is

what's called a 'Toy Hauler'

fifth wheel.



---------------------------------------------------



Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it

and had the most miserable week of my life.



My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and

were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my

older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping.

I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy

Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch

installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would

come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford

250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the

dealership.



My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground

in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it

is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.

The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor

with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.



Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the

hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every

afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC

units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured

outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.



One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to

have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young

daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I

looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the

master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of

water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in

the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink

and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into

the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet

vac while the rest started sopping up the water.



Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and

his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her

husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the

road.



By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's

spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had

just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle

snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a

broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.



So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck

to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the

trailer.

Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.



The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV

classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.



BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I

first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to

make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class

A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three,

I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we

eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We

ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it

home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in

it.



Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much

rather live on a boat.









We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV

and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few

days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was

infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much

bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time.



The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he



http://mainestayinn.com/



No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great

breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping

and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at

Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W.

Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were

about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach

and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I

love the Maine coastline.



On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see

relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine

Stay. No bugs.

That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future.
The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born.


Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when
we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad.
There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away,
and it is worth a day's visit.

Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere,
shop and go to a mall.

If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well
worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows
tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery

If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a
great treat.

I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell didn't
spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping.

And you didn't visit the LLBean store?

No, I can buy LL Bean stuff from their catalog. I had better things to
do than shop.

The LLBean store has much more than just shopping.

But, I understand your reluctance to engage in such a thing.


Care to enlighten me?

Well....if I'd spent the past couple days shooting down the idea of doing *any* shopping while on a
trip, l'd not admit to visiting the LL Bean store either!

I didn't EVER say *any* shopping, liar. You do have to buy groceries,
etc. But, I don't go on vacation just to shop like Harry does.


You're still on those drugs, eh? I never said I go on vacation "just to
shop."

No, but you said that you get on a plane, arrive, get a hotel and you
and the wife shop. 'Nuff said. If only you would use that money to pay
your taxes and other debts, deadbeat.

Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:44:04 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/27/2012 8:11 PM, wrote:
wrote:

Well, a big part of that depends on the purchase price of the RV. Ours wasn't near six figures -
unless you include the truck, which I don't 'cause I needed it anyway.

Unless you really need a big truck for something else, you have to
include the truck. Those guys with 5th wheelers look pretty funny at
home depot with a dually.

I have a neighbor who bought a big 5th wheel trailer and a Ford F350 V10
a while back. The trailer sits in the driveway and he commutes to work
in the F350. (?)

He probably can't afford the gas to pull the trailer!

On 12/28/2012 3:01 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/28/12 2:47 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/28/2012 2:13 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/28/2012 10:28 AM, wrote:
On Friday, December 28, 2012 10:15:06 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/28/12 8:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...



On 12/27/2012 5:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:37:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:36:57 -0500, iBoaterer
wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer
wrote:



In article ,

says...



On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD
wrote:

On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:











"GuzzisRule" wrote in message



...











Here ya go!







http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf










Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down
arrow. This is



what's called a 'Toy Hauler'



fifth wheel.







---------------------------------------------------







Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went
"camping" once with it



and had the most miserable week of my life.







My daughter started it all. She and her husband were
into camping and



were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced
Mrs.E and I and my



older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for
"family" camping.



I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought
the Raptor Toy



Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth
wheel hitch



installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the
toy hauler would



come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth
wheel and a Ford



250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the
same day at the



dealership.







My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at
a campground



in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what
the name of it



is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites
beside each other.



The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford
pulled the Raptor



with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty
cool.







Well, that particular week in the mountains of New
Hampshire was the



hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big
thunderstorms every



afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's
with the AC



units running at full blast. When it stopped raining
and we ventured



outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.







One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's
site trying to



have a beer while swishing away the bugs and
mosquitoes. His young



daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat
talking, I



looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area
door under the



master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and
gallons of



water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the
vanity sink in



the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had
filled the sink



and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and
draining into



the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store
to get a wet



vac while the rest started sopping up the water.







Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure
arrived. My son and



his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My
daughter and her



husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said
goodbye and hit the



road.







By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the
fifth-wheel into it's



spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my
daughter. They had



just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and
their vehicle



snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a
busy road with a



broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying
kids.







So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire
mountains in his truck



to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am,
towing the



trailer.



Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair
shop.







The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple
of the RV



classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in
Canada.







BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping
scene. When I



first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it
would be fun to



make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37'
Pace Arrow class



A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV.
Of the three,



I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the
longest, but we



eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the
Sprinter. We



ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and
drove it



home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of
their travels in



it.







Camping is great for some people. It's just not for
me. I'd much



rather live on a boat.



















We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we
rented an RV



and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island
campground for a few



days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the
island was



infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they
were much



bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the
time.







The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he







http://mainestayinn.com/







No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms,
great



breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights
and shopping



and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too
many meals at



Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and
Mrs. George H.W.



Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the
dock were



about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a
local beach



and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold
chased me out. I



love the Maine coastline.







On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge,
Massachusetts, to see



relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match
for the Maine



Stay. No bugs.



That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to
the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in
the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found
out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was
judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in
the immediate future.

The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from
about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born.





Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like
us), but when

we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it
wasn't that bad.

There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't
that far away,

and it is worth a day's visit.



Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore
somewhere,

shop and go to a mall.



If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're
missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well

worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at
least one, that we were in, allows

tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery



If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean
store, then you're missing out on a

great treat.



I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell
didn't

spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping.



And you didn't visit the LLBean store?



No, I can buy LL Bean stuff from their catalog. I had better
things to

do than shop.



The LLBean store has much more than just shopping.



But, I understand your reluctance to engage in such a thing.





Care to enlighten me?



They have a lot of touristy things to get you there to shop.







First, the L.L. Bean flagship store ain't in Kennebunkport. The
flagship

store is huge, and there are other L.L. Bean stores in the same town,

including hunting, fishing, boating stores. If you like what the
stores

sell, the flagship store in Freeport is a great place to visit.



Second, it is a very large, very interesting store with lots of

displays and merchandise that isn't necessarily in the catalog.



Third, if you are interested in what L.L. Bean sells, and you still
have

questions, you can see the actual merchandise at the big store and ask

questions. Sure, you can also do this at any of the L.L. Bean retail

stores, but none of the retail stores has the variety of selection and

sizes on hand as the "home" store.



Fourth, visiting the flagship store of L.L. Bean is an interesting

experience.



I like the L.L. Bean stores. In fact, on our infrequent visits to

Northern Virginia, it is one of three stores there I'll waste time
in at

the big Tysons shopping mall while my wife shops. The other two are
the

Apple store and Restoration Hardware.

I have to get back to get my LL Bean Hunting boots re-soled.
I could mail them from here and get them back but at $45.00 for new
lower rubber portion and shipping both ways etc, it'd probably be
cheaper to just buy a new pair.
I've had the boots since 1993 and they still look great...although the
'chain' type traction patern on the soles has gotten mighty smooth.


I wonder what Krause finds so fascinating about Restoration Hardware.
Neither my wife or my wife were impressed with the one we were in two
weeks ago

Union shop??


Taste.

You got all caught up in the window dressing. I didn't know you were
into towels and bedding and foo foo stuff.

On 12/28/2012 12:47 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:44:04 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/27/2012 8:11 PM, wrote:
wrote:

Well, a big part of that depends on the purchase price of the RV. Ours wasn't near six figures -
unless you include the truck, which I don't 'cause I needed it anyway.

Unless you really need a big truck for something else, you have to
include the truck. Those guys with 5th wheelers look pretty funny at
home depot with a dually.

I have a neighbor who bought a big 5th wheel trailer and a Ford F350 V10
a while back. The trailer sits in the driveway and he commutes to work
in the F350. (?)

He probably can't afford the gas to pull the trailer!

They just don't use it. He's an interesting guy. He also has a nice
economical car he could commute in but doesn't. He also has ****ed away
much of his retirement savings with dubious sucker investments. He also
weighs about 350 lbs and literally devours Krispy Kremes by the dozen.
He also is an extreme right wing Rush & Fox News fan. Our wives are
good friends but we don't seem to relate very well.

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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb
of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you
have to go gas instead of diesel.

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Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque
ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a
reputation for spitting out spark plugs.

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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb
of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you
have to go gas instead of diesel.

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Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque
ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a
reputation for spitting out spark plugs.

I didn't know that.

The question then becomes does the increased gasoline cost and spark
plug remediation cost more or less than the cost of the vehicle with a
diesel engine?

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On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town.
When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is
spend my time indoors shopping.

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The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a
cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even
comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here
in south Florida.


Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like
you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important
question, is "is there food there"? LOL!

BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big
aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows.
The parking lot is full of BOATS

There I actually used the "B" word!

They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer.

It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy
things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis
and outdoor yard games)


There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very
similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't
been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so
probably won't go back.

Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of
the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side.

I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to
National Harbor within 3 to 5 years.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:39:16 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:33:22 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:34:28 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:51:11 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney,
NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting.

I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I
wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking
our little motorcycle train.

I agree the Dakotas are mostly a lot of nothing but we had a good time
at the Minot state fair. We rented a boat in Beulah at the dam, toured
the synfuel plant and took the Air Force tour in Minot.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Silo%20hatch.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/minute%20man.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/B52.jpg

We also checked out Wall Drug and went to the rodeo
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Wall%20rodeo.jpg

My favorite area is the Black Hills and on out through Wyoming. There
are hundreds of miles of logging roads you can drive with nice hikes
along the way.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/sylvan%20lake.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Danc...h%20wolves.jpg

They have real convenience stores in Sturgis
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/convenience%20store.jpg

Of course they have this
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Rushmore%20profile.jpg

We saw most of those, including Sturgis, on the motorcycle trip through the area. We arrived at
Sturgis the week before the Harley Rally. All the vendors, or at least a huge number, had their
tents up and their wares on display, so we had a nice couple days looking around. My headlight had
gone out, and I was shopping for a bulb. Couldn't find one to fit the Guzzi in any of the places.

Mt. Rushmore was a letdown. I don't know what I was expecting, but maybe it had to do with the
distance from the mountain to the visitors' center. We didn't go on a mule ride or anything. It just
seemed small after seeing all the telephoto shots everywhere.

If you take the loop you walk pretty close to the base. It is not a
North by Northwest thing hanging on Washington's nose but it is pretty
close.
We also spent time in the area so it seems every road you take, goes
by Rushmore. That Iron Mountain road view is pretty cool, looking
through the tunnel.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Iron...n%20Tunnel.jpg

We also got pretty tired of Crazy Horse. It seemed like every logging
road ended up on the one that dead ended there.

We did find a cool restaurant out west of Rapid City on one of those
dirt roads where they will catch a rainbow trout while you wait and
cook it for you.

We really liked Spearfish. We had a nice cabin there that backed up to
the fire service road network. We drove almost all the way to Devil's
tower one evening before we ever hit asphalt.

If you go, get a green map. They have all the USFS roads on it.

You can find places like this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Wyom...ate%20line.jpg

We put about 1000 miles on driving these roads.
That Suburban we had got pretty dirty.

Cool. We did get to Devil's Tower, but that whole area was just a side stop on the way to
Yellowstone. I was riding with a bunch of Netherlanders, and Yellowstone, followed by Grand Teton,
was on the top of the 'see' list. We ended up spending about five days in Yellowstone. Then I had to
take off for home. They continued on down through Las Vegas and points south before returning to
Houston.