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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460
ft/lb
of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if
you
have to go gas instead of diesel.

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Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque
ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed
a
reputation for spitting out spark plugs.

Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that
on
both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!!

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That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil
in
aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would
sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming
they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and
stopped
doing warranty repairs.

The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles
these
days.



Helicoil in anything adds substantial surface area to the mechanical
surface of the threads, it's just math.

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True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any
stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads
that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger.

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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460
ft/lb
of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if
you
have to go gas instead of diesel.

-----------------------------------------

Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque
ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed
a
reputation for spitting out spark plugs.

Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on
both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!!

------------------------------------------------

That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in
aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would
sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming
they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped
doing warranty repairs.

Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but
still,
there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my
dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many
times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize
on
the threads.

--------------------------------------------------

Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real
problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat
cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the
two rear cylinders that were mostly affected.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper

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On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:



I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but
it

was a major

failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006.



They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be

available

anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8

diesel.



There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton

V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013

Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10

engine. Here's an example:



http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137#



Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013?



Call them and ask.



Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it:



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf



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2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into

retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could

never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates
back to

1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford
Falcon

chassis.



Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back
of a

milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!!



http://tinyurl.com/b24gful

Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like
they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily.
I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new
Econoline vans displaced.

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Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something
pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came
out.

On 12/30/12 10:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper

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On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:



I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but
it

was a major

failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006.



They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be

available

anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8

diesel.



There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton

V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013

Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10

engine. Here's an example:



http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137#



Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013?



Call them and ask.



Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it:



http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf



-------------------------------------------



2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into

retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could

never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates
back to

1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon

chassis.



Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a

milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!!



http://tinyurl.com/b24gful

Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like
they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily.
I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new
Econoline vans displaced.

----------------------------------------

Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something
pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came out.


My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big
fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a
dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of
resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful
vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much
smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he
replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first
gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you
started in 2nd gear.



Looked something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any
stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads
that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger.

===

I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling
chips inside the cylinder?

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any
stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads
that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger.

===

I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling
chips inside the cylinder?

Oops!

On 12/30/2012 11:11 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any
stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads
that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger.

Well, I still suggest a 3/4" helicoil in an aluminum head, holds better
than a similar threaded 3/8", having a lot more thread area. So in the
case of a spark plug for instance, I do suggest that a spark plug in an
aluminum head will hold better in a helicoil... IN THEORY!


===

I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling
chips inside the cylinder?


In a fix, our motor shop will drain the engine and inject a few
tablespoons of very heavy grease just inside the hole. Then they drill
upward and vacuum the grease and any chips away, followed by a solvent
flush and oil... They can do this with the engine still on the bike in
most cases for an oil plug which is the most common heli repair in our
industry. Anything structural, we would not use a helicoil at all.

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My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big
fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a
dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of
resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful
vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much
smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he
replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first
gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you
started in 2nd gear.



Looked something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq

--------------------------

That's pretty cool. I don't think I've ever seen one before.

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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460
ft/lb
of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if
you
have to go gas instead of diesel.

-----------------------------------------

Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque
ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed
a
reputation for spitting out spark plugs.

Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on
both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!!

------------------------------------------------

That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in
aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would
sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming
they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped
doing warranty repairs.

Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but
still,
there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my
dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many
times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize
on
the threads.

--------------------------------------------------

Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real
problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat
cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the
two rear cylinders that were mostly affected.

No too difficult to predict it would be the rear two cylinders.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any
stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads
that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any
stronger.

===

I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling
chips inside the cylinder?

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I don't know. Never had a V-10 and never had to do it. I've know at
least two people that had a spark plug fly out of the engine though.
One happened on the road beside my driveway. Guy was towing a 26'
boat to the launch ramp in Plymouth. I stopped to see if he needed
some help and at first he didn't know what the problem was. Said he
heard a big "bang" and then the truck started running rough. The hood
was open and all seemed fine until we saw a spark plug sitting on one
of the frame members.