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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:59:42 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. Well, that's proof that '**** happens'. I had the hots for your Sprinter, if you'll recall. Your wife, at the time, wanted to keep it for whatever reason. If you'd had it on the market then, we'd probably have it instead of the fifth wheel. Oh well! We enjoy the hell out of camping, so we'll keep at it for a while. There's still a lot of the USA we've not seen, and I've been told that driving across southern Canada is a 'trip' all unto itself. We'll probably try the Alaska trip in a year or so. We've some good friends who spent three months on the road a couple years ago, much of the time in Alaska. They're pushing hard for us to go with them again. They now have a Winnebago Journey Express, which is a nice rig, but it's not as roomy as their fifth wheel, cost a *lot* more, gets miserable mileage, but has a lot of really nice features! |
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On 12/27/2012 11:49 AM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:01:15 -0500, JustWait wrote: Had to sleep in a motel a while back for a family funeral trip. Oh man, it was gross, just the smell of the place in general... I seriously doubt that I will ever try to stay in a motel again, I really had trouble sleeping just smelled like socks in the place. You really have to spend more than $49 a night. Well, if that was in the budget, I would probably have my camper/truck/trailer combo anyway... That night, we were staging for a funeral. Got done with work at 11pm, hit Long Island at 2am, left for the funeral service at 6am to meet up with family. WHAT work????? |
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On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! |
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On 12/27/12 12:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. I travel with a wife who likes to shop, likes hot showers, likes beds. You travel with your hand. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Merry Christmas! |
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On 12/27/12 12:27 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Merry Christmas! I suppose when you are retired, you need busy work to have something to do. |
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On 12/27/2012 12:27 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. Makes a hell of a lot of sense... We have that effect sort of where we don't meet to "start a season" in one place, but "that group" of friends you have, we camp with every weekend all season long where ever we happen to be. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Yup, life is short... Merry Christmas! |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:09 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Oooops, sorry, it was 600 dollars... both ways. The rig we travel in a 55 foot Funmover style motorhome, not a fifth wheel. It tows a 45 foot trailer behind. The back section of the Funmover is full of enough parts and machinery to build two complete bikes and with Jessis bikes in the trailer there can be as many as 10 bikes in the) I am going to call him later and confirm.. There is a chance he used 600 in gas but I still think he said 12 over the weekend. I saw him put in 300, twice anyway. I was trying to look up the rig, but the biggest I could find was this 42'er, which is pretty damn big. http://tinyurl.com/6v8q7ws It's on a Ford 750 chassis with a diesel engine and, from what I could see in another ad, could pull 10K lbs. With the huge trailer you describe, I can imagine the guy getting only 4-6 mpg or so. That kind of mileage would soak up the money in a hurry. A pickup camper with a trailer hauling Jesse's bike and parts would be much, much more economical, that's for sure. And, you'd have all the amenities. A diesel pickup would be even better - on fuel anyway. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:43:27 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 9:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. $75 a gallon for gasoline? Hell, you can buy a decent bottle of wine for $10. I suppose your 'Ducati' runs on wine? |
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On 12/27/2012 12:40 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:09 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Oooops, sorry, it was 600 dollars... both ways. The rig we travel in a 55 foot Funmover style motorhome, not a fifth wheel. It tows a 45 foot trailer behind. The back section of the Funmover is full of enough parts and machinery to build two complete bikes and with Jessis bikes in the trailer there can be as many as 10 bikes in the) I am going to call him later and confirm.. There is a chance he used 600 in gas but I still think he said 12 over the weekend. I saw him put in 300, twice anyway. I was trying to look up the rig, but the biggest I could find was this 42'er, which is pretty damn big. I will wait a few days before I call him on that one. I was trying to find the photo I put up of the rig earlier this season, but I can't remember where I posted it... Either way, I can't see owning a motorhome or fifth wheel for my needs now anyway. http://tinyurl.com/6v8q7ws It's on a Ford 750 chassis with a diesel engine and, from what I could see in another ad, could pull 10K lbs. With the huge trailer you describe, I can imagine the guy getting only 4-6 mpg or so. That kind of mileage would soak up the money in a hurry. A pickup camper with a trailer hauling Jesse's bike and parts would be much, much more economical, that's for sure. And, you'd have all the amenities. A diesel pickup would be even better - on fuel anyway. |
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On 12/27/12 12:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:43:27 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 9:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. $75 a gallon for gasoline? Hell, you can buy a decent bottle of wine for $10. I suppose your 'Ducati' runs on wine? 40+ mpg on pump gasoline. Three bucks and change a gallon. About $16 for a fill up. |
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On 12/27/12 12:51 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:52:51 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:11:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. We spent 2 1/2 weeks in North and South Dakota alone. That was also our record on the renta car, 2300 miles. Things are pretty far apart up there. After the 420th, I quit taking pictures of wheat stalks. My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney, NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting. I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking our little motorcycle train. Why? Did they hear about your hatred of dark-skinned people? |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:23:41 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! But!!! Whatever you do, don't order a Predator generator from Harbor Freight! They're noisy, heavy, consume too much fuel, will get you run out of campsites, don't last more than a few hours, are ugly, and noisy. I cancelled my order after getting all the free advice here. I'm going to put the Honda on my list for next Christmas - being just as 'commercial' as I can be! |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a great treat. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:28:33 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 12:27 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Merry Christmas! I suppose when you are retired, you need busy work to have something to do. ESAD, we really don't look upon it as 'work', but more as 'pleasure'. For work, I walk five to six miles, and try to get the little ball into the hole with as few strokes as possible to lower my handicap index. *That's* work! |
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On 12/27/12 1:13 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a great treat. The home store of LL Bean is about 50 miles from Kennebunkport, in Freeport. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:28:40 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 12:27 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. Makes a hell of a lot of sense... We have that effect sort of where we don't meet to "start a season" in one place, but "that group" of friends you have, we camp with every weekend all season long where ever we happen to be. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Yup, life is short... Merry Christmas! That group is a local Good Sam chapter that we joined when we got our first trailer. It's a small chapter - about 15 rigs, and we have a monthly campout during the season - March to November. We try to keep the campouts within a three to four hour drive so those who have to work on Friday can get there at a decent hour. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:51:00 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 12:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:43:27 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 9:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. $75 a gallon for gasoline? Hell, you can buy a decent bottle of wine for $10. I suppose your 'Ducati' runs on wine? 40+ mpg on pump gasoline. Three bucks and change a gallon. About $16 for a fill up. I'm trying hard not to laugh. |
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On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! Are you going to do all of that as opposed to paying your taxes? Have you made enough from profit from pimping your kid's racing to afford that? |
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On 12/27/12 1:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:51:00 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 12:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:43:27 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 9:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. $75 a gallon for gasoline? Hell, you can buy a decent bottle of wine for $10. I suppose your 'Ducati' runs on wine? 40+ mpg on pump gasoline. Three bucks and change a gallon. About $16 for a fill up. I'm trying hard not to laugh. Don't look in the mirror, john the racist. |
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says... On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:23:41 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! But!!! Whatever you do, don't order a Predator generator from Harbor Freight! They're noisy, heavy, consume too much fuel, will get you run out of campsites, don't last more than a few hours, are ugly, and noisy. I cancelled my order after getting all the free advice here. I'm going to put the Honda on my list for next Christmas - being just as 'commercial' as I can be! I hear that the Predator will render you sterile as well..... |
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says... On 12/27/12 12:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. I travel with a wife who likes to shop, likes hot showers, likes beds. You travel with your hand. That must be a load of fun. Go to a different city, then... shop. |
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says... On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Merry Christmas! But you could get on a plane, fly to a city, go to your hotel, then shop!!! Doesn't that sound like an adventurous fun thing???! |
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On Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:55:07 PM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 11:49 AM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:01:15 -0500, JustWait wrote: Had to sleep in a motel a while back for a family funeral trip. Oh man, it was gross, just the smell of the place in general... I seriously doubt that I will ever try to stay in a motel again, I really had trouble sleeping just smelled like socks in the place. You really have to spend more than $49 a night. Doubtful he spent that much. Reminds me of the time the wife and I flew to California about 1983. We rented a car at the airport and headed for Palm Springs the first day. Ended up staying at a Motel 6 in Indigo first night after a fellow worker recommended it. Kept the light on all night because the cockroaches were freaking me out running up the wall. Neat to see Date Palm trees though, supposidly the only spot in North America where they grew. |
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says... On 12/27/12 12:27 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:03:51 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. Because it's the Christmas season, I'll try to be courteous, ESAD. There is a group of us who meet at the Pohick Bay Regional Park twice a year, in early spring and late fall. The spring get-together is for 'de-winterizing and a spring shakedown'. We do this close to home in case we need something from the house. We do this as a group because if one person needs a special tool or whatever, someone in the group may have it with them. We also do this 'cause we enjoy the camaraderie. Sitting around the campfire and shootin' the **** is fun - even if it's a little chilly outside. We also do a buffet type dinner where everyone brings a dish. Yes, you're right. We bought the big truck to pull the big camper because we're doing something we want to do! Merry Christmas! I suppose when you are retired, you need busy work to have something to do. I guess he could fly to another city, sit in a hotel room and go shopping..... That sounds like a thrill. |
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On 12/27/2012 12:27 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 12:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. I travel with a wife who likes to shop, likes hot showers, likes beds. You travel with your hand. Ever wonder why people are nasty toward you? |
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says... On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere, shop and go to a mall. If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a great treat. I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell didn't spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping. |
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On 12/27/2012 12:55 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:23:41 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! But!!! Whatever you do, don't order a Predator generator from Harbor Freight! They're noisy, heavy, consume too much fuel, will get you run out of campsites, don't last more than a few hours, are ugly, and noisy. I cancelled my order after getting all the free advice here. I'm going to put the Honda on my list for next Christmas - being just as 'commercial' as I can be! Well, I have two generators... neither of which I bring camping. Both too noisy, one of them even for daytime the other one a Harbor Freight (actually Lowe's) special... If I had a Honda, or a Yamaha, etc I would love to have a 2000 even though the 1000 is soooo much quieter. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:53:36 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 12:51 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:52:51 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:11:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. We spent 2 1/2 weeks in North and South Dakota alone. That was also our record on the renta car, 2300 miles. Things are pretty far apart up there. After the 420th, I quit taking pictures of wheat stalks. My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney, NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting. I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking our little motorcycle train. Why? Did they hear about your hatred of dark-skinned people? Merry Christmas, ESAD! Hope you have a much better New Year than the past one. |
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On 12/27/2012 1:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 12:55 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:23:41 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Bingo, that's the idea. I have my PU truck during the week which is nice, and throw the bikes in the back for practice. Half of the races are one day races, within two hours drive and we would go there with the bikes in the back of the pickup, clean and easy. For weekend or long over night races and one day trips we would lock down the camper and tow the bikes in the trailer. Another advantage is having a "street vehicle" available at the races, trips to town for ice, parts, phone service, or once unfortunately medical attention, is another plus. Jess and I could travel and live in something like that for weeks at a time and do just fine. And no, my current lot won't really accommodate anything like a fifth wheel or a Funmover. The addition on the driveway side keeps me from pulling anything short of a small trailer into the back lot. I could stick the pu camper on the side or back and get away with it, and the trailer lives in the driveway but it's small (modest, only 8x5 feet:) and clean so nobody complains. Anyway, yes, the link John posted is exactly where Jess and I are trying to be. Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! But!!! Whatever you do, don't order a Predator generator from Harbor Freight! They're noisy, heavy, consume too much fuel, will get you run out of campsites, don't last more than a few hours, are ugly, and noisy. I cancelled my order after getting all the free advice here. I'm going to put the Honda on my list for next Christmas - being just as 'commercial' as I can be! Well, I have two generators... neither of which I bring camping. Both too noisy, one of them even for daytime the other one a Harbor Freight (actually Lowe's) special... If I had a Honda, or a Yamaha, etc I would love to have a 2000 even though the 1000 is soooo much quieter. NOTE: I have used several of the Hondas at the track and they use one for the Finish line display at a series I do the finish line for so I tend it all day. I did have one problem the last time but it was wild windy. For some reason, twice during the day the Honda 1000 just shut off, no sputter, no other signs, just shut off. Crazy cause both times they were racing the the inflatable arch over the finish line started coming down. Fortunately, as soon as I saw the thing coming down I spun and threw my flag to another guy to take my spot and dove for the generator which started one pull. About a half hour later it happened again, again no warning but ran flawless the rest of the day. Like I said though, I really think it had something to do with the wind or some other outside influence as other than that the things never seem to skip a beat. On the other hand, I know Yamaha and a couple others make competing models, I would trust a Yamaha brand if the price was better and the DB rating was the same or close... Just sayin'. Just for the record, the big generator we have is this one: http://www.sears.com/briggs-stratton-storm-responder-5500-watt-generator-non-ca/p-07133139000P I don't see any place listed for the db, but it's not as loud as my 2500 watt, contractor:) |
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On 12/27/12 1:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:53:36 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 12:51 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:52:51 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:11:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. We spent 2 1/2 weeks in North and South Dakota alone. That was also our record on the renta car, 2300 miles. Things are pretty far apart up there. After the 420th, I quit taking pictures of wheat stalks. My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney, NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting. I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking our little motorcycle train. Why? Did they hear about your hatred of dark-skinned people? Merry Christmas, ESAD! Hope you have a much better New Year than the past one. I have no complaints about 2012. |
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On 12/27/2012 5:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:
Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. Maybe I'll get to try that someday... Does anyone remember the live-aboard simulation that was posted here years ago? |
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On 12/27/12 2:57 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/27/2012 5:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. Maybe I'll get to try that someday... Does anyone remember the live-aboard simulation that was posted here years ago? Unless it is a really, really large "boat" and you have a crew, living on a boat is a *lot* more work with a lot less comfort than living in a house on the hard. |
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says... On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:51:11 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney, NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting. I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking our little motorcycle train. I agree the Dakotas are mostly a lot of nothing but we had a good time at the Minot state fair. We rented a boat in Beulah at the dam, toured the synfuel plant and took the Air Force tour in Minot. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Silo%20hatch.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/minute%20man.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/B52.jpg We also checked out Wall Drug and went to the rodeo http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Wall%20rodeo.jpg My favorite area is the Black Hills and on out through Wyoming. There are hundreds of miles of logging roads you can drive with nice hikes along the way. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/sylvan%20lake.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Danc...h%20wolves.jpg They have real convenience stores in Sturgis http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/convenience%20store.jpg Of course they have this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Rushmore%20profile.jpg Damned right, Wall Drugs is the home of the famous Jackalope! Needles Highway is a pretty cool drive. I camped outside of Deadwood, it's a really neat town. Then of course, there is Mt. Rushmore, and the Corn Palace made me hungry!! |
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On 12/27/12 3:14 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:51:11 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: My first real job was with the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, working the Minuteman sites in Sidney, NE and Minot, ND. Neither place was very exciting. I rode through the Badlands with some Guzzi friends from Holland. Very beautiful country. But, I wouldn't want to live there. I kept imagining a couple thousand Indians coming down and attacking our little motorcycle train. I agree the Dakotas are mostly a lot of nothing but we had a good time at the Minot state fair. We rented a boat in Beulah at the dam, toured the synfuel plant and took the Air Force tour in Minot. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Silo%20hatch.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/minute%20man.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/B52.jpg We also checked out Wall Drug and went to the rodeo http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Wall%20rodeo.jpg My favorite area is the Black Hills and on out through Wyoming. There are hundreds of miles of logging roads you can drive with nice hikes along the way. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/sylvan%20lake.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Danc...h%20wolves.jpg They have real convenience stores in Sturgis http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/convenience%20store.jpg Of course they have this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Rushmore%20profile.jpg Damned right, Wall Drugs is the home of the famous Jackalope! Needles Highway is a pretty cool drive. I camped outside of Deadwood, it's a really neat town. Then of course, there is Mt. Rushmore, and the Corn Palace made me hungry!! We get good and hungry, lock up the tent, and then walk over to this place: http://rhinocafe.com/ The grilled salmon is terrific, but so are the daily chef's specials. Good prices, too, and fabulous service. We've been going there for about 10 years, and there's hardly ever any changeover in the staff. Across the street: http://www.brigantine.com/miguels_co...-coronado.html Absolutely the best pitcher of margaritas ever. Food is very good, too. |
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