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On 12/24/2012 6:16 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:33:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." Oh, OK. My bad. Should have been more clear. I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. You know, I'd forgotten to check if this one had a power down mode when the load was reduced. What you say here makes some good sense. I may cancel the order and give the Honda more thought. I didn't know Kawasaki and Suzuki also made these things. I have seen the Yamaha ones at the track too... All very quiet too. |
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On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long. OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere. We try to look after your best interests. ;-) |
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On 12/24/2012 8:29 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , snip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen Because I could. At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there. We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000 miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever. Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie. I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old. I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine. Consumer Reports is useless. I bought my TV without consulting Consumer Reports. I bought many things without consulting Consumer Reports. You are better off consulting the internet instead of Consumer Reports. |
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On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity, and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available. BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. If I stay at a campsite with such amenities, which I do every few days, I do as well. Every few days I'll get a campsite like that and do laundry, etc. |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:27:07 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Yup, a 33' fifth wheel trailer is pretty easy to spot! |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:07:02 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". Not if you are camping out of necessity... Where we race, there are usually no rooms available, and we don't have a camper. Do you race in an RV park? |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:43 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those opportunities. That leaves all the rest of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. that *can* be seen without hiking in to camp! I sure hope you keep finding all those great spots in which to hike and camp. |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:09:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Monday, December 24, 2012 9:21:26 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Although my wife isn't interested in camping, I could, and have, slept in the back of a stationwagon. Funny...before I bought my last 2 new vehicles, I crawled in back to see if I could sleep in the cargo area if required. With the back seats down it's a tight fit in the back of the RAV4...laying kitty corner. I've done my share of sleeping in the back of a VW Dasher wagon! |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:05:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1162069442378058030.655503bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those opportunities. My 4x4 will get me to enough beautiful remote places to satisfy me. I fully understand that some people would rather seek total comfort as opposed to seeing things not everyone can see and getting some exercise in the process. One of the best experiences of my life was hiking for a month and a half on the AT. Have you been through Bryce Canyon, Arches, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, Zion, Yellowstone, and Grand Tetons National Parks? Great places. You can park your rig in a nice campground, and then hike all day long! |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:04:16 -0600, Califbill wrote:
iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:43:11 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:27:44 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If I use it at home, it would be only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I primarily wanted something I could throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't available. === 70 dB is not super quiet, not at all. These are reasonably quiet at 53 to 59 dB depending on load level: http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EU1000IKC-Portable-Generator/p6548.html 70dB is approximately 10 times louder than 59 dB. Even the small Hondas get annoying after awhile but at 29 pounds are easy to carry and load into a truck. ....and cost almost ten times as much! Hell, I'm ex-military, not ex-hedge fund manager or writer for a union rag. --------------------------------------------- John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. Friends who've traveled with their trailers to Alaska had need of a generator, both while boondocking alongside the road and in some of the Alaskan campgrounds. Hell, I won't even play a radio outside in the campgrounds we frequent! That's odd, I've camped all over the U.S. in all kinds of weather and did so perfectly fine without a generator or electricity. But then again, I actually camp, as opposed to just moving to a different location with all of the amenities of my home. I don't need a microwave, electric coffee maker, etc. to have a good experience. I am old and like comfort. Have a truck camper, and boat remote lakes at times. Would be nice to have emergency power and a way to charge up the batteries, especially if the truck batts went down. That cute little Honda EU2000i might be right up your alley: http://tinyurl.com/cxpl99n |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:14:14 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". My favorite campground is a normally peaceful mixed-use campground at the mouth of a great fishing river. I tow a boat instead of an RV and don't care if generators are running in Wall-Mart parking lots. The running of generators in WalMart parking lots is frowned upon by much of the camping community. But, it's up to the manager of the local WalMart. We found the free overnights at some of the truck stops, like Flying J's, were nice. |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:55:16 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om, says... On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long. OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere. We try to look after your best interests. ;-) Amazing the old fool asks for advice, and then when he gets it, gets ****ed off like a little school girl. Who's ****ed? |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:31:48 -0500, Meyer wrote:
On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long. OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere. We try to look after your best interests. ;-) That's why I started the thread! Thanks! |
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On 12/25/12 3:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Well, you are exceptional. Most of the time there are tenters where we camp, but I've only seen one, that I can remember, on a site with water and electricity. The great majority of tenters rough it without electricity and water hookups. - - - So, you want to be upwind and upstream of the tenters, eh? |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:37:15 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity, and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available. BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. Well, you are exceptional. Most of the time there are tenters where we camp, but I've only seen one, that I can remember, on a site with water and electricity. The great majority of tenters rough it without electricity and water hookups. I have no reason to bull**** you or anyone else about it. |
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says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:09:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 9:21:26 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Although my wife isn't interested in camping, I could, and have, slept in the back of a stationwagon. Funny...before I bought my last 2 new vehicles, I crawled in back to see if I could sleep in the cargo area if required. With the back seats down it's a tight fit in the back of the RAV4...laying kitty corner. I've done my share of sleeping in the back of a VW Dasher wagon! That's little!! |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:12:46 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 7:37 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity, and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available. BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. Exactly... Great. We just don't see that many tenters paying the extra for the hookups where we camp. |
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says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:05:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article 1162069442378058030.655503bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those opportunities. My 4x4 will get me to enough beautiful remote places to satisfy me. I fully understand that some people would rather seek total comfort as opposed to seeing things not everyone can see and getting some exercise in the process. One of the best experiences of my life was hiking for a month and a half on the AT. Have you been through Bryce Canyon, Arches, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, Zion, Yellowstone, and Grand Tetons National Parks? Yes, I have. Great places. You can park your rig in a nice campground, and then hike all day long! I can also hike into the back country and camp anywhere I want. |
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says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun... They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B. They who? Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember the sentence you had read when you read the next one? |
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says... On 12/25/12 3:03 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:31:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 7:18:48 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long. OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere. With that generous military pension I'm supprised you don't fill that overblown pickup with Honda generators. What's overblown about my pickup? Can you tow 11,000 lbs with the RAV4? Why would anyone with a working brain want to tow an 11,000 pound trailer? To get it from point A to point B. |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:18:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun... They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B. They who? Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember the sentence you had read when you read the next one? Just trying to understand your assumption. You say, "They are like Harry..." Who? |
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says... On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:18:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun... They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B. They who? Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember the sentence you had read when you read the next one? Just trying to understand your assumption. You say, "They are like Harry..." Who? WHOOOOOOOSH........ You ARE dumb! |
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On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity, and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available. BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. I don't get it. Why? When I tent camped I never carried any electrical gear that wasn't battery powered. Didn't carry a shower or toilet either Used the campground facilities. Coleman stove, battery lights, 5 gallon collapsing water jug. Always thought going light weight was what tent camping was about. Besides that, the RV area is noisy. And most of them I've seen have concrete aprons. Real hard to drive tent stakes through that. Never considered for a second buying an RV spot. Are you talking about a tent, or a popup tent camper? |
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On 12/25/2012 2:34 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:07:02 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:47 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all". Not if you are camping out of necessity... Where we race, there are usually no rooms available, and we don't have a camper. Do you race in an RV park? Basically... There is usually water but limited electricity. The parking lots of many of the tracks are indeed "RV Parks", some serve as RV Parks in the off season or even on off weeks. |
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On 12/25/2012 12:15 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Great. We just don't see that many tenters paying the extra for the hookups where we camp. But why would you feel free to annoy them...? |
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On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:37:15 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote: My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity, and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available. BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. Well, you are exceptional. Most of the time there are tenters where we camp, but I've only seen one, that I can remember, on a site with water and electricity. The great majority of tenters rough it without electricity and water hookups. I have no reason to bull**** you or anyone else about it. And I have no reason either. I would estimate 30-40% tent campers in the A loop of the referenced campground (with power/water), and more in the B, G, and T loops where you would need your generator. Some forgo the tent and sleep outside on a cot or pad when it's nice. Maybe it's regional or age differences? Many campers here bring boats instead of RVs but still like the convenience of a coffee maker and microwave. When I stay for a week or more I bring a small freezer. |
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On 12/25/2012 1:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says... BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. I don't get it. Why? When I tent camped I never carried any electrical gear that wasn't battery powered. Didn't carry a shower or toilet either Used the campground facilities. Coleman stove, battery lights, 5 gallon collapsing water jug. Always thought going light weight was what tent camping was about. Besides that, the RV area is noisy. And most of them I've seen have concrete aprons. Real hard to drive tent stakes through that. Never considered for a second buying an RV spot. Are you talking about a tent, or a popup tent camper? See my other response. Perhaps this location and our activities are unusual. The power is convenient for a coffee pot and microwave which allow more time on the river. We use a tent. |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:19:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:55:16 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long. OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere. We try to look after your best interests. ;-) Amazing the old fool asks for advice, and then when he gets it, gets ****ed off like a little school girl. Who's ****ed? You, the person that has to mortgage his house (again) to afford a thousand dollar generator. Humor. Some get it, some don't. But that's OK. The good part is that my house has no mortgage! |
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On 12/25/2012 5:14 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/25/2012 1:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , lid says... BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water. I don't get it. Why? When I tent camped I never carried any electrical gear that wasn't battery powered. Didn't carry a shower or toilet either Used the campground facilities. Coleman stove, battery lights, 5 gallon collapsing water jug. Always thought going light weight was what tent camping was about. Besides that, the RV area is noisy. And most of them I've seen have concrete aprons. Real hard to drive tent stakes through that. Never considered for a second buying an RV spot. Are you talking about a tent, or a popup tent camper? See my other response. Perhaps this location and our activities are unusual. The power is convenient for a coffee pot and microwave which allow more time on the river. We use a tent. One point I missed... they aren't RV spots or in an exclusive RV area, they are campsites with power and water, no concrete anywhere. |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:06:34 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/25/12 3:07 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: Well, you are exceptional. Most of the time there are tenters where we camp, but I've only seen one, that I can remember, on a site with water and electricity. The great majority of tenters rough it without electricity and water hookups. - - - So, you want to be upwind and upstream of the tenters, eh? Why? |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:15:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:05:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article 1162069442378058030.655503bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those opportunities. My 4x4 will get me to enough beautiful remote places to satisfy me. I fully understand that some people would rather seek total comfort as opposed to seeing things not everyone can see and getting some exercise in the process. One of the best experiences of my life was hiking for a month and a half on the AT. Have you been through Bryce Canyon, Arches, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, Zion, Yellowstone, and Grand Tetons National Parks? Yes, I have. Great places. You can park your rig in a nice campground, and then hike all day long! I can also hike into the back country and camp anywhere I want. And I hope you keep doing it! |
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