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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:48 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 1:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:19:29 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. Might be a pain in the ass to work with there.. Quite frankly, in a power outage or storm, at 70 db I wouldn't be too worried about where I ran it. You might hear it in a room adjoining the part of the yard it's in, but one room over you probably won't hear it at all. Doubt if your neighbors will either, unless your houses are real close. Not much of a hassle. Just for gas every few hours. Is it a step down bulkhead? Could CO2 be an issue in the basement? Yeah, I guess that wasn't a great idea either. Like I said, maybe I'll just put it on the patio with sandbags around it. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:16:09 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/23/12 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. I know this won't concern you, Well, ESAD, then why post it, unless you simply need attention. but the code requires a permanently installed generator to be kept a certain number of feet from any house openings, I forget whether it was 5' or 8', because of the danger from exhaust gasses. Ours is 10' away from the house because it also has to be kept a certain distance away from heat pumps, AC units, et cetera. But heck, it's only you...run it adjacent to an open window, eh? |
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On 12/23/2012 2:47 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:48 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:19:29 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. Might be a pain in the ass to work with there.. Quite frankly, in a power outage or storm, at 70 db I wouldn't be too worried about where I ran it. You might hear it in a room adjoining the part of the yard it's in, but one room over you probably won't hear it at all. Doubt if your neighbors will either, unless your houses are real close. Not much of a hassle. Just for gas every few hours. Is it a step down bulkhead? Could CO2 be an issue in the basement? Yeah, I guess that wasn't a great idea either. Like I said, maybe I'll just put it on the patio with sandbags around it. Yeah. Although you think it's gonna' be a breeze... when you haven't have power for a week and you are keeping one or two rooms warm, eating off hot plates, sleeping in piles of dogs and such. It's nice to have very easy access when you go outside to change oil in the thing, or even pour in gas and such... I really think most of the early failures are from folks who did not think it was important to change the oil as often as the manual states. I changed ours twice during the last big outage, and change it pretty much every time I have to pull it out and power the home. I mean, I don't pull it out till I know it's gonna' be a longer event, but my small contractor is almost 15 years old... |
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On Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:58:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:05:58 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. That is not well ventilated. You will get CO in around the door. The noise will be focused towards the house. SNERK...that's like putting the generator in an echo chamber. It'll seem to amplify the sound. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:00:54 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote: I'm thinking of new batteries for the truck before much longer. Any reason you particularly like the Diehard you referenced? They're expensive as hell, and made by the same company that makes WalMart, Costco, and other batteries. === The reason why the 31M Diehard Platinums are so expensive is because they are AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) technology. It's the latest and greatest for long term durability in heavy duty, deep cycle usage. Unless you deep cycle your truck battery, probably not worth the expense. For inverter batts however, yes. The Diehards come with a very good warranty of course, and are spill proof. They are also available on sale from time to time which makes them a bit more reasonable. I just replaced an 8D diesel engine starting battery (155 lbs, $325) with a pair of the AGM 31Ms in parallel (75 lbs each). The 31Ms are much easier for my wife to lift over the engine. :-) I've been averaging about 2 years of life out of the 8Ds so the AGMs will eventually pay for themselves if I can get an extra year or two out of them. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:55:50 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 2:47 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:48 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:19:29 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. Might be a pain in the ass to work with there.. Quite frankly, in a power outage or storm, at 70 db I wouldn't be too worried about where I ran it. You might hear it in a room adjoining the part of the yard it's in, but one room over you probably won't hear it at all. Doubt if your neighbors will either, unless your houses are real close. Not much of a hassle. Just for gas every few hours. Is it a step down bulkhead? Could CO2 be an issue in the basement? Yeah, I guess that wasn't a great idea either. Like I said, maybe I'll just put it on the patio with sandbags around it. Yeah. Although you think it's gonna' be a breeze... when you haven't have power for a week and you are keeping one or two rooms warm, eating off hot plates, sleeping in piles of dogs and such. It's nice to have very easy access when you go outside to change oil in the thing, or even pour in gas and such... I really think most of the early failures are from folks who did not think it was important to change the oil as often as the manual states. I changed ours twice during the last big outage, and change it pretty much every time I have to pull it out and power the home. I mean, I don't pull it out till I know it's gonna' be a longer event, but my small contractor is almost 15 years old... I'm pretty good about following the maintenance instructions. Lack of electricity won't affect the BBQ or smoker. Those are the important things! |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:28:30 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:00:54 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: I'm thinking of new batteries for the truck before much longer. Any reason you particularly like the Diehard you referenced? They're expensive as hell, and made by the same company that makes WalMart, Costco, and other batteries. === The reason why the 31M Diehard Platinums are so expensive is because they are AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) technology. It's the latest and greatest for long term durability in heavy duty, deep cycle usage. Unless you deep cycle your truck battery, probably not worth the expense. For inverter batts however, yes. The Diehards come with a very good warranty of course, and are spill proof. They are also available on sale from time to time which makes them a bit more reasonable. I just replaced an 8D diesel engine starting battery (155 lbs, $325) with a pair of the AGM 31Ms in parallel (75 lbs each). The 31Ms are much easier for my wife to lift over the engine. :-) I've been averaging about 2 years of life out of the 8Ds so the AGMs will eventually pay for themselves if I can get an extra year or two out of them. I don't deep cycle them, at least not on purpose! But I'll keep the advice in mind. |
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On 12/23/2012 3:28 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:00:54 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: I'm thinking of new batteries for the truck before much longer. Any reason you particularly like the Diehard you referenced? They're expensive as hell, and made by the same company that makes WalMart, Costco, and other batteries. === The reason why the 31M Diehard Platinums are so expensive is because they are AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) technology. It's the latest and greatest for long term durability in heavy duty, deep cycle usage. Unless you deep cycle your truck battery, probably not worth the expense. For inverter batts however, yes. The Diehards come with a very good warranty of course, and are spill proof. They are also available on sale from time to time which makes them a bit more reasonable. I just replaced an 8D diesel engine starting battery (155 lbs, $325) with a pair of the AGM 31Ms in parallel (75 lbs each). The 31Ms are much easier for my wife to lift over the engine. :-) I've been averaging about 2 years of life out of the 8Ds so the AGMs will eventually pay for themselves if I can get an extra year or two out of them. Could you run a small cabin heater all night long with one of those batteries? |
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On Dec 23, 3:09*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:49:43 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:03 PM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:07:17 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:44:16 -0500, JustWait wrote: I buy the long term protection on everything I buy at harbor freight.. I have one literally 750 yards from my house so they are convenient. For this generator, two year's worth of insurance is $79, which doesn't seem too bad. I would read that contract very closely. I bet they have an out if it simply wears out. Otherwise contractors would be burning up a couple a year and getting them replaced. A prairie builder usually won't get a year out of a very good generator but they may put 1500-2000 hours on one by then. That's exactly what I do at HF.. I buy stuff, and I use it. They know me and know when I go out the door, I will be back if the tool won't do what is is guaranteed to do. Never any questions, never any hassles. My experience at Harbor fright is if you buy their top of the line tool, it is OK for casual homeowner use but their economy stuff is only worth the melt weight of the steel. I've noticed their items that say "Rugged, Heavy Duty construction" Then I look at the pic and think if that product is 'rugged and heavy duty' I'd hate to see what the cheap flimsy stuff is... |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. ---------------------------------------------------------- I think that if you fire that thing up in a public campground, you'll get thrown out very quickly. Way too noisy for camping. Many public campgrounds even frown on the quiet Hondas. |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:31:03 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Contractor generators are very loud... You will not want to use this for home use. We used to use one and had to put it in the detached garage and run cables to the house or it would keep the whole neighborhood awake. They are made for construction sites, hope you are not trying to cheap out on a tool, cause if it's home generation you are looking for, you probably bought the wrong tool... Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If I use it at home, it would be only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I primarily wanted something I could throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 70 db isn't close to being quiet. For comparison, the well known Honda EU-2000i has a 53/59 db noise level (depending on load). Every 3 db increase *doubles* the noise level. |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:43:11 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:27:44 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If I use it at home, it would be only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I primarily wanted something I could throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't available. === 70 dB is not super quiet, not at all. These are reasonably quiet at 53 to 59 dB depending on load level: http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EU1000IKC-Portable-Generator/p6548.html 70dB is approximately 10 times louder than 59 dB. Even the small Hondas get annoying after awhile but at 29 pounds are easy to carry and load into a truck. .....and cost almost ten times as much! Hell, I'm ex-military, not ex-hedge fund manager or writer for a union rag. --------------------------------------------- John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ..... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. |
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On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:
John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. |
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On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. |
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In article , says...
On 12/23/2012 1:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:19:29 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. Might be a pain in the ass to work with there.. Quite frankly, in a power outage or storm, at 70 db I wouldn't be too worried about where I ran it. You might hear it in a room adjoining the part of the yard it's in, but one room over you probably won't hear it at all. Doubt if your neighbors will either, unless your houses are real close. Not much of a hassle. Just for gas every few hours. Is it a step down bulkhead? Could CO2 be an issue in the basement? Personally, I'd certainly be more worried about CO than CO2!!!! |
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On 12/23/2012 1:55 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:09:12 -0500, wrote: My experience at Harbor fright is if you buy their top of the line tool, it is OK for casual homeowner use but their economy stuff is only worth the melt weight of the steel. It's a great place to buy stocking-stuffer stuff for the daughters and sons-in-law! As a recipient I'm not a fan of cheap tools... would rather get a cheap pair of socks. |
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says... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:10:48 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:41 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:19:29 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 1:05 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:54:55 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 11:36 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:47:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. How quite is it while in operation? Supposedly, 70dB. A few of the reviews commented on how quiet it was. I'm sure it's much louder than the Honda of the same size, but I didn't want to spend over $2000 for a 3KW Honda! No, like I said I think 70 isn't bad. Our home gen I think is in the low 80's but it runs the whole house. We keep in under the roof outside and it's not too bad inside. During storms we can run 24/7 and nobody can hear it... then again, we are on wooded half acre lots here. If we need it at home, I'll put it in the outside basement stairwell. It'll be 8' below ground level, outside, well-ventilated, and easy to keep out of the rain. Might be a pain in the ass to work with there.. Quite frankly, in a power outage or storm, at 70 db I wouldn't be too worried about where I ran it. You might hear it in a room adjoining the part of the yard it's in, but one room over you probably won't hear it at all. Doubt if your neighbors will either, unless your houses are real close. Not much of a hassle. Just for gas every few hours. Is it a step down bulkhead? Could CO2 be an issue in the basement? Yeah, I guess that wasn't a great idea either. Like I said, maybe I'll just put it on the patio with sandbags around it. You two are morons!!! Why are you worrying about CO2? I'd be worried about CO (carbon monoxide). |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:58:39 -0500, JustWait
wrote: I just replaced an 8D diesel engine starting battery (155 lbs, $325) with a pair of the AGM 31Ms in parallel (75 lbs each). The 31Ms are much easier for my wife to lift over the engine. :-) I've been averaging about 2 years of life out of the 8Ds so the AGMs will eventually pay for themselves if I can get an extra year or two out of them. Could you run a small cabin heater all night long with one of those batteries? === Only if it was one of those wimpy little dash board heaters that plugs into a cigarette lighter. A typical full-powered electric heater draws over 1,000 watts which translates to over 100 amps at 12 volts DC. You might get ten minutes if you were lucky and the battery would age well before its time if you did it very often. What you can do with an inverter and a big battery bank, is run an electric blanket all night. We do that on the boat but our inverter runs from (8) heavy duty golf cart batteries, about 1,000 amp-hours total. |
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On 12/23/12 4:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 3:28 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:00:54 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: I'm thinking of new batteries for the truck before much longer. Any reason you particularly like the Diehard you referenced? They're expensive as hell, and made by the same company that makes WalMart, Costco, and other batteries. === The reason why the 31M Diehard Platinums are so expensive is because they are AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) technology. It's the latest and greatest for long term durability in heavy duty, deep cycle usage. Unless you deep cycle your truck battery, probably not worth the expense. For inverter batts however, yes. The Diehards come with a very good warranty of course, and are spill proof. They are also available on sale from time to time which makes them a bit more reasonable. I just replaced an 8D diesel engine starting battery (155 lbs, $325) with a pair of the AGM 31Ms in parallel (75 lbs each). The 31Ms are much easier for my wife to lift over the engine. :-) I've been averaging about 2 years of life out of the 8Ds so the AGMs will eventually pay for themselves if I can get an extra year or two out of them. Could you run a small cabin heater all night long with one of those batteries? No. Maybe 15-20 minutes. You want electric power all night, you want a small generator. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:48:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. ---------------------------------------------------------- I think that if you fire that thing up in a public campground, you'll get thrown out very quickly. Way too noisy for camping. Many public campgrounds even frown on the quiet Hondas. All of the public campgrounds we've used have had electricity, so I wouldn't know about the generator noise. If we were to use it while camping, it would be where there was no 'shore power'. I imagine we'd either be alone, or amongst others doing the same thing. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:53:24 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:31:03 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Contractor generators are very loud... You will not want to use this for home use. We used to use one and had to put it in the detached garage and run cables to the house or it would keep the whole neighborhood awake. They are made for construction sites, hope you are not trying to cheap out on a tool, cause if it's home generation you are looking for, you probably bought the wrong tool... Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If I use it at home, it would be only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I primarily wanted something I could throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 70 db isn't close to being quiet. For comparison, the well known Honda EU-2000i has a 53/59 db noise level (depending on load). Every 3 db increase *doubles* the noise level. Yeah, but the well known Honda costs right at $1000, and provides half the power as this $279 model. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:43:11 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:27:44 -0500, GuzzisRule wrote: Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If I use it at home, it would be only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I primarily wanted something I could throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't available. === 70 dB is not super quiet, not at all. These are reasonably quiet at 53 to 59 dB depending on load level: http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EU1000IKC-Portable-Generator/p6548.html 70dB is approximately 10 times louder than 59 dB. Even the small Hondas get annoying after awhile but at 29 pounds are easy to carry and load into a truck. ....and cost almost ten times as much! Hell, I'm ex-military, not ex-hedge fund manager or writer for a union rag. --------------------------------------------- John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. Friends who've traveled with their trailers to Alaska had need of a generator, both while boondocking alongside the road and in some of the Alaskan campgrounds. Hell, I won't even play a radio outside in the campgrounds we frequent! |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:01:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. I agree, but those aren't where we stay. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:01:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. They *are* where we stayed when we were doing all the motorcycle camping. But then all we needed for heat was a little candle lantern in the tent and heavy duty sleeping bags - but not in Houston. |
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On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php |
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thumper wrote:
On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php Every Oregon park I have been to is great. Last one Valley of the Rogue. Definitely better than any other state parks I have been in. |
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On 12/23/12 8:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:58:39 -0500, JustWait wrote: Could you run a small cabin heater all night long with one of those batteries? I would use propane for heat. You would use less than the gas to run the generator. Generators are the most expensive power you can buy. Use them for things that you can't do old school. Right, if you're not worried about CO, you can worry about hypoxia, especially in a closed area! Most rv have a propane heater. Battery to run the fan. |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to your original post where you specifically stated: "This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies." I don't see how any of us overlooked anything. When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while the better ones are still going strong. I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud. The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering sensitive devices like computers. |
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says... On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or had one? http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary, emergencies. Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are gonna' hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just sayin'.. At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't need a generator. If camping in a place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada somewhere - anyone else around will be using their generator also. ------------------------------- Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature. They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run a coffee maker. Bingo! A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove. Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter halves and all-weather sleeping bags. |
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On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent campers can see you coming a mile away. |
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, says... thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use .... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator that came with the camper. Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it. Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area is well removed from the RV area. My favorite campground isn't segregated. http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php Every Oregon park I have been to is great. Last one Valley of the Rogue. Definitely better than any other state parks I have been in. Tennessee has some very nice state parks. Now, most don't have rec rooms with pool tables, etc., nightly dances, and such, but that's not why I go camping! |
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