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says... On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:27 -0500, ESAD wrote: We camped out here for five days last summer... http://tinyurl.com/dynmrev We didn't bring the tent we don't have or a portable generator. Just clothes and suntan lotion. My kind of camping. We camped here, at the Broadmoor in Colorado Springs. With the insider discount it was "Marriott" priced. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/broadmoor%20lake.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20balcony.jpg Why not just stay home? |
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On 12/26/2012 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
says... ... That's got to be difficult! ... Are you really as stupid as you act here? hints who's on first wargames /hints |
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On 12/26/12 1:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:27 -0500, ESAD wrote: We camped out here for five days last summer... http://tinyurl.com/dynmrev We didn't bring the tent we don't have or a portable generator. Just clothes and suntan lotion. My kind of camping. We camped here, at the Broadmoor in Colorado Springs. With the insider discount it was "Marriott" priced. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/broadmoor%20lake.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20balcony.jpg Looks pretty rough, but I am sure my wife and I are tough enough for that place, too. |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! |
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On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) |
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On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end. It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary. I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair. |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. |
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end. It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary. I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair. I'd rather not worry about the ones in the cracks the mist doesn't reach. |
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On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. |
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On 12/27/2012 7:55 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end. It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary. I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair. I'd rather not worry about the ones in the cracks the mist doesn't reach. Had to sleep in a motel a while back for a family funeral trip. Oh man, it was gross, just the smell of the place in general... I seriously doubt that I will ever try to stay in a motel again, I really had trouble sleeping just smelled like socks in the place. |
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says... On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:51:52 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:47:52 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. I love to drive around the U.S.A. Did you realize you can see a lot more driving than you can in an airplane? You are not going to see much looking out the window on the interstate. We drive plenty on these vacations, typically 1500 - 2000 miles but it is around one or two states, very far from here. The plane gets over a week of driving behind you in 2 half days. If you actually wanted to investigate every interesting thing you see and you drive on back roads like we do, it would take over a month to get to Colorado. That might be great if you were rich and didn't have any reason to be home. Harry doesn't like to see anything either. One of the best times I ever had was my brother and I drove from New York to New Orleans and went anywhere we felt like. We had a book called Roadfood and went to whatever town we wanted to check out a food place, plus whatever we wanted to see. Two weeks to get to New Orleans, where we stayed for another four days. Met many people along the way that I'm still in touch with, saw a lot of local things that you wouldn't have seen if you hadn't spent time with the locals, etc. Bull****...sounds like a BoogieTale. Prove it wrong, idiot. Would you like me to get you in touch with my brother and ask him? $1000 bet good enough for you? |
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says... On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Indeed. |
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On 12/27/12 8:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:55 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end. It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary. I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair. I'd rather not worry about the ones in the cracks the mist doesn't reach. Had to sleep in a motel a while back for a family funeral trip. Oh man, it was gross, just the smell of the place in general... I seriously doubt that I will ever try to stay in a motel again, I really had trouble sleeping just smelled like socks in the place. One can only imagine what it smelled like after you left. Next time, don't stay at the RoachSpray Inn. Move on up to the Bates Motel. Norm will treat you the way you deserve. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. |
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On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:01:15 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:55 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:19:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end. It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary. I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair. I'd rather not worry about the ones in the cracks the mist doesn't reach. Had to sleep in a motel a while back for a family funeral trip. Oh man, it was gross, just the smell of the place in general... I seriously doubt that I will ever try to stay in a motel again, I really had trouble sleeping just smelled like socks in the place. The last time I was in one was while motorcycling West Virginia with my brothers. (Who, BTW, ride Harley's, so they had a rough time keeping up.) We stayed in Elkins for night in a Best Western. Like you say, stinky and rough. I'd brought a sleep sack - and I crashed on the floor thinking it was probably cleaner than the bed. |
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On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 |
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On 12/27/2012 8:35 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? When did you become a dispatcher? |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! |
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"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. |
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On 12/27/2012 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Oooops, sorry, it was 600 dollars... both ways. The rig we travel in a 55 foot Funmover style motorhome, not a fifth wheel. It tows a 45 foot trailer behind. The back section of the Funmover is full of enough parts and machinery to build two complete bikes and with Jessis bikes in the trailer there can be as many as 10 bikes in the) I am going to call him later and confirm.. There is a chance he used 600 in gas but I still think he said 12 over the weekend. I saw him put in 300, twice anyway. |
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On 12/27/12 8:49 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:35:15 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:33 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:58:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Wow, Worcester, Mass - haven't heard that name in a long time. My first assignment after I finished my Artillery FDC training at Ft. Sill, OK, was to Ft. Devens, MA - just outside Ayer. I had to go to Worcester for something, and the guy called it 'Woostah'. I couldn't find the damn town on the map, so I got a little assistance from a local. Anyway, my truck, a diesel, pulling about 10,500 lbs, gets around 15mpg, so the 500 mile trip would cost in the neighborhood of $130 or so. You must be adding in the gas for the motorcycle. When we bought ours, weight was a big factor in the decision process. Shouldn't you be on the road again? March, Pohick Bay...you're welcome to come, but don't call yourself ESAD. Folks will not think as highly of you as you would wish given your status and all. You're pulling your camper trailer to Pohick Bay, which is what, about a half an hour from your house? In March? I get it. You didn't have much to do, so you bought yourself a camper trailer and a big truck so you'd have something to do. |
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On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) |
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On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! Yeah, I couldn't afford to race if I had to do that.... |
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On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. |
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On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. |
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On 12/27/12 9:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 9:06 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Need to confirm, I think it might have been 600... I will get back later after I talk to him. IIRC, with the rig he gets about 4 miles to the gallon or something crazy like that. Again, this is how I remember it, but I will let you all know after I talk to him again. The rig however is about 105 feet to park, and carries up to ten bikes.. oh, and I forgot the golf cart:) Yeah, it was 600 for the trip out and back, just for the hauler and trailer. Race gas is something completely different, that goes anywhere from 10-75 dollars a gallon depending on what you run. I only have access to the 10-30 dollar price range. $75 a gallon for gasoline? Hell, you can buy a decent bottle of wine for $10. |
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On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. |
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On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. |
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On Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:37:46 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 Like he comes up with everything....those strange voices that echo in his empty head. |
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On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:59:42 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I'd much rather live on a boat. ====== Now you're talking ! |
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On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote: On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. --------------------------------------------------- Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it and had the most miserable week of my life. My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping. I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford 250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the dealership. My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other. The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool. Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood. One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet vac while the rest started sopping up the water. Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the road. By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids. So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the trailer. Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop. The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada. BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three, I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in it. Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much rather live on a boat. We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time. The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he http://mainestayinn.com/ No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W. Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I love the Maine coastline. On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine Stay. No bugs. That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future. The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born. Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad. There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away, and it is worth a day's visit. |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:00:01 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 12/27/2012 9:46 AM, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 8:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:37:46 -0500, Meyer wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:58 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/27/2012 7:53 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:14:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: They don't have anything like this is North Carolina http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg or this http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent camp in those areas??? I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable. At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to drive. My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time). He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them. They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to buy food in or out. I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked up, and I don't have to tow a toad. We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class, staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in or eating out. We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our 2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun). Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and camping often won out., Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your expenses.. We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs! Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town... What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two separate sleeping areas. If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel:) Here ya go! http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is what's called a 'Toy Hauler' fifth wheel. Sure, that's what Jessi goes racin' in when we roll out with the team. That's what we call a "FunMover" and it's the reason I said "I don't sleep with bikes". I want my bikes in a trailer. Second, I don't know about you but 1200 dollars gas for one weekend from Worcester Mass to Unadilla NY and back is not gonna' cut it for me and Jess on off weekends... Nice, but naaaa, not for a us. Howjuh come up with $1200 I think he was making the point that he didn't want to come up with $1200 for gas! I didn't mean it that way. Yeah, it was a brain fart. 4 mi to the gallon, about 600 bucks round trip. Either way back to the pickup truck thing, it's all we need. Like I said, I am comfortable with a potty, a shower even if it's outside the rig in an enclosure, a bed, and a safe place for the bikes, ie, in a trailer. I could spend a lot of time out there like that, even more if I had a small kitchen in the pop up. Hey, lots of folks use pickup campers. Then you'd be able to pull the trailer with the bikes. Many of them come pretty well equipped, and the prices are all over the map. Here's a nice one with a lot of features. http://www.campingworld.com/rvsales/...verick/248051/ Of course, the price is $10K, but you could maybe get 15-20% off with a little dickering. RVTrader.com. ( http://tinyurl.com/brjncx7 ) As you can see, prices all over the map. Hell, I didn't know it was possible to spend so much money on a pickup camper! |
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