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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:05:17 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town. When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is spend my time indoors shopping. === The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here in south Florida. Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important question, is "is there food there"? LOL! BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows. The parking lot is full of BOATS There I actually used the "B" word! They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer. It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis and outdoor yard games) There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so probably won't go back. Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side. I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to National Harbor within 3 to 5 years. PG County needs something to entice it's government into more graft and corruption. Hell, it's almost as bad as DC, which some total fools want to see granted statehood. |
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says... In article , says... On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town. When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is spend my time indoors shopping. === The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here in south Florida. Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important question, is "is there food there"? LOL! BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows. The parking lot is full of BOATS There I actually used the "B" word! They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer. It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis and outdoor yard games) There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so probably won't go back. Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side. I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to National Harbor within 3 to 5 years. Maybe that low life deadbeat Harry can win enough to pay his taxes and the other folks he's cheated out of money. |
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On 12/29/12 9:11 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:05:17 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town. When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is spend my time indoors shopping. === The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here in south Florida. Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important question, is "is there food there"? LOL! BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows. The parking lot is full of BOATS There I actually used the "B" word! They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer. It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis and outdoor yard games) There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so probably won't go back. Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side. I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to National Harbor within 3 to 5 years. PG County needs something to entice it's government into more graft and corruption. Hell, it's almost as bad as DC, which some total fools want to see granted statehood. Are the morons who run your state still planning to force women into having vaginal probes, or is that now on hold? |
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says... On Friday, December 28, 2012 11:45:37 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:23 PM, Earl wrote: wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote: wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , snip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen Because I could. At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there. We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000 miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever. Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie. I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old. I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine. According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie. http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine. They did and that's a good thing? What cracks me up is bonnie, always making excuses for stupid **** like pink cars and now junk cars... Who's making excuses, MiniMan?? I simply state the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Got a job yet...paying down those numerous judgements, overdue taxes, hospital bills..etc, etc.? Gee, you could ask Deadbeat Harry the same thing..... |
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JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:23 PM, Earl wrote: wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote: wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , snip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen Because I could. At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there. We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000 miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever. Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie. I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old. I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine. According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie. http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine. They did and that's a good thing? What cracks me up is bonnie, always making excuses for stupid **** like pink cars and now junk cars... Pink car, pink hair...pink is pink. True, glad you finally agree about Don's chick car. |
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In article , earl8477
@hotmail.com says... ESAD wrote: On 12/28/12 9:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote: wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , snip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen Because I could. At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there. We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000 miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever. Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie. I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old. I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine. According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie. http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine. Hope you learned something from that. I'm betting not. The funniest running gag on rec.boats is how you and several others make negative comments about the possessions of others but never or hardly ever discuss your own possessions or, of course, post photos of them. Did that come up in therapy, deadbeat? You got it wrong and defined yourself. Most of us are smart enough not to take pictures of the boxes that our possessions came in proving that we really do shop at Walmart and Home Depot. |
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says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? |
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says... On 12/29/12 9:11 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:05:17 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town. When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is spend my time indoors shopping. === The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here in south Florida. Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important question, is "is there food there"? LOL! BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows. The parking lot is full of BOATS There I actually used the "B" word! They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer. It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis and outdoor yard games) There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so probably won't go back. Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side. I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to National Harbor within 3 to 5 years. PG County needs something to entice it's government into more graft and corruption. Hell, it's almost as bad as DC, which some total fools want to see granted statehood. Are the morons who run your state still planning to force women into having vaginal probes, or is that now on hold? I don't know about that, but they ARE asking people to pay their taxes and other debts. |
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says... In article , earl8477 @hotmail.com says... ESAD wrote: On 12/28/12 9:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote: On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote: wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , snip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen Because I could. At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there. We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000 miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever. Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie. I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old. I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine. According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie. http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine. Hope you learned something from that. I'm betting not. The funniest running gag on rec.boats is how you and several others make negative comments about the possessions of others but never or hardly ever discuss your own possessions or, of course, post photos of them. Did that come up in therapy, deadbeat? You got it wrong and defined yourself. Most of us are smart enough not to take pictures of the boxes that our possessions came in proving that we really do shop at Walmart and Home Depot. He has no shame, hell he doesn't even pay his friggin' taxes! |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. |
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says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Wow, how profound.... moron. |
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says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf |
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On 12/29/2012 6:08 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Did they fix the problem with the heads spitting out plugs? |
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On 12/29/2012 9:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf Buyer beware. |
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says... On 12/29/12 9:11 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:05:17 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/28/12 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:06:53 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/28/2012 10:39 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:05:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town. When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is spend my time indoors shopping. === The LL Bean store in Freeport is well worth a visit. It is as much a cultural icon as it is a store. The only thing I've seen that even comes close is one of the really big Bass Pro stores like we have here in south Florida. Seriously, not trying to troll, but I have never been to anything like you describe. Can you be more specific? And of course the most important question, is "is there food there"? LOL! BPS here in Ft Myers has a pretty good restaurant, a couple of big aquariums and occasionally they have little product shows. The parking lot is full of BOATS There I actually used the "B" word! They are a Tracker/Mercury dealer. It is a 2 story megamart for sportsmen with all sorts of outdoorsy things. (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, boating, pull toys/skis and outdoor yard games) There's a nice BPS just south of BWI Airport in Hanover, MD, that's very similar, in a huge mall. No restaurant in the BPS store, though. Haven't been up there in a while, heard there's a casino near the mall now, so probably won't go back. Wait until they build the new casino at National Harbor, just south of the Woodrow Wilson bridge on the Maryland side. I predict that the casinos in the rest of Maryland will migrate to National Harbor within 3 to 5 years. PG County needs something to entice it's government into more graft and corruption. Hell, it's almost as bad as DC, which some total fools want to see granted statehood. Are the morons who run your state still planning to force women into having vaginal probes, or is that now on hold? Doesn't your collection of 350 movies on your storage device provide you with enough vaginal probing? |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles these days. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. |
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"thumper" wrote in message ... On 12/29/2012 6:08 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Did they fix the problem with the heads spitting out plugs? ------------------------------------------ Yes. Since 2007, the heads are now made of a stronger aluminum alloy. |
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On 12/30/2012 9:16 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles these days. Helicoil in anything adds substantial surface area to the mechanical surface of the threads, it's just math. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but still, there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize on the threads. |
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says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles these days. Yes, but that doesn't stop someone from checking them and improperly torquing them without anti-seize. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:26:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf There, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now, an apology would be in order. |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:26:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf There, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now, an apology would be in order. Ahhh....a bit of morning snot from John the racist. |
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On 12/30/2012 9:16 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles these days. Helicoil in anything adds substantial surface area to the mechanical surface of the threads, it's just math. It's still not any stronger than the base metal, period. |
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On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:48:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily. I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new Econoline vans displaced. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ... On 12/30/2012 9:16 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. The spark plugs don't need to be change but every 100,000 miles these days. Helicoil in anything adds substantial surface area to the mechanical surface of the threads, it's just math. ----------------------------------------------------- True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but still, there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize on the threads. -------------------------------------------------- Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the two rear cylinders that were mostly affected. |
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wrote in message ... On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:48:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily. I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new Econoline vans displaced. ---------------------------------------- Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came out. |
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On 12/30/12 10:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:48:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily. I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new Econoline vans displaced. ---------------------------------------- Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came out. My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you started in 2nd gear. Looked something like this: http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? |
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On 12/30/2012 11:11 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. Well, I still suggest a 3/4" helicoil in an aluminum head, holds better than a similar threaded 3/8", having a lot more thread area. So in the case of a spark plug for instance, I do suggest that a spark plug in an aluminum head will hold better in a helicoil... IN THEORY! === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? In a fix, our motor shop will drain the engine and inject a few tablespoons of very heavy grease just inside the hole. Then they drill upward and vacuum the grease and any chips away, followed by a solvent flush and oil... They can do this with the engine still on the bike in most cases for an oil plug which is the most common heli repair in our industry. Anything structural, we would not use a helicoil at all. |
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"ESAD" wrote in message ... My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you started in 2nd gear. Looked something like this: http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq -------------------------- That's pretty cool. I don't think I've ever seen one before. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but still, there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize on the threads. -------------------------------------------------- Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the two rear cylinders that were mostly affected. No too difficult to predict it would be the rear two cylinders. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? ------------------- I don't know. Never had a V-10 and never had to do it. I've know at least two people that had a spark plug fly out of the engine though. One happened on the road beside my driveway. Guy was towing a 26' boat to the launch ramp in Plymouth. I stopped to see if he needed some help and at first he didn't know what the problem was. Said he heard a big "bang" and then the truck started running rough. The hood was open and all seemed fine until we saw a spark plug sitting on one of the frame members. |
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