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Just for the record
In article om,
says... On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John wrote: Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby kicking? "Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss to anyone." ===== John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does a fertilized egg become a fetus? Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs. One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't know. Perhaps you could ask. What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with anything? When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? ======== You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it. It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however. The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an accident. It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and that of many others. PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate. Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you won't get an honest, sincere answer. He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable honest answer. Got any more dead horses you want to beat? But the thing is, John presents it like he's 100% positive that a fetus is a human being and shouldn't be "murdered". Therefore, if he's positive of that, he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. |
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#83
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Just for the record
On 9/24/2011 11:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, says... On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John wrote: Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby kicking? "Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss to anyone." ===== John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does a fertilized egg become a fetus? Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs. One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't know. Perhaps you could ask. What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with anything? When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? ======== You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it. It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however. The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an accident. It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and that of many others. PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate. Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you won't get an honest, sincere answer. He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable honest answer. Got any more dead horses you want to beat? But the thing is, John presents it like he's 100% positive that a fetus is a human being and shouldn't be "murdered". Therefore, if he's positive of that, he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. Do you think he knows? Why don't you tell us what you "think" you know. |
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#84
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Just for the record
On 9/24/2011 11:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, says... On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John wrote: Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby kicking? "Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss to anyone." ===== John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does a fertilized egg become a fetus? Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs. One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't know. Perhaps you could ask. What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with anything? When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? ======== You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it. It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however. The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an accident. It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and that of many others. PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate. Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you won't get an honest, sincere answer. He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable honest answer. Got any more dead horses you want to beat? But the thing is, John presents it like he's 100% positive that a fetus is a human being and shouldn't be "murdered". Therefore, if he's positive of that, he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. And you are postive too. So, how about you answer the question? |
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#85
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On 9/24/2011 11:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really asking a "gotcha" question anyway... BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion. snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said, "if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't want to know, why ask? As expected. So you win.. You got your "gotcha" even though it won't lead to as much attention as you would desire.. And you still didn't answer the question yourself... |
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#86
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On 9/24/2011 11:13 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:08:42 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. There are still several unanswered questions out there. I wholeheartedly agree! BUT, when someone acts like they are absolutely SURE that a fetus is a human, then he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. And Wayne said it was "obvious to him" it isn't... So why not press him? Oh yeah, you are just asking "gotcha" questions that support your agenda... Sorry, I forgot for a second  |
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#87
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Just for the record
In article om,
says... On 9/24/2011 11:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John wrote: Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby kicking? "Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss to anyone." ===== John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does a fertilized egg become a fetus? Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs. One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't know. Perhaps you could ask. What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with anything? When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? ======== You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it. It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however. The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an accident. It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and that of many others. PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate. Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you won't get an honest, sincere answer. He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable honest answer. Got any more dead horses you want to beat? But the thing is, John presents it like he's 100% positive that a fetus is a human being and shouldn't be "murdered". Therefore, if he's positive of that, he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. Do you think he knows? Why don't you tell us what you "think" you know. I don't know, that's why I'm asking those who appear they DO know. |
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#88
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Just for the record
In article ,
says... On 9/24/2011 11:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John wrote: Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby kicking? "Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss to anyone." ===== John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does a fertilized egg become a fetus? Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs. One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't know. Perhaps you could ask. What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with anything? When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? ======== You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it. It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however. The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an accident. It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and that of many others. PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate. Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you won't get an honest, sincere answer. He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable honest answer. Got any more dead horses you want to beat? But the thing is, John presents it like he's 100% positive that a fetus is a human being and shouldn't be "murdered". Therefore, if he's positive of that, he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. And you are postive too. So, how about you answer the question? What do I appear to be "positive" to you about? I'm the one asking the question because I don't know, and don't pretend to know. |
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#89
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In article ,
says... On 9/24/2011 11:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really asking a "gotcha" question anyway... BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion. snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said, "if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't want to know, why ask? As expected. So you win.. You got your "gotcha" even though it won't lead to as much attention as you would desire.. And you still didn't answer the question yourself... It's not a "gotcha", and I didn't ask the question. I'm serious. If a fetus is a human when did it become one? And I DON'T KNOW the answer, hence the asking those that act like they DO know the answer. |
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#90
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In article ,
says... On 9/24/2011 11:13 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:08:42 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. There are still several unanswered questions out there. I wholeheartedly agree! BUT, when someone acts like they are absolutely SURE that a fetus is a human, then he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. And Wayne said it was "obvious to him" it isn't... So why not press him? Oh yeah, you are just asking "gotcha" questions that support your agenda... Sorry, I forgot for a second What is my "agenda", other than to learn? |
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