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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months back.


Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.


Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also annoying.

So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human?

On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't
understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my
religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really
asking a "gotcha" question anyway...

BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather
President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion.
snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are
looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working
with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said,
"if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't
want to know, why ask?

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On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't
understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my
religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really
asking a "gotcha" question anyway...

BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather
President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion.
snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are
looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working
with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said,
"if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't
want to know, why ask?

Obama is a Muslim.

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months back.


Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.


Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also annoying.

So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human?

At conception.

When has a female human ever given birth to anything other than a human.

On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

John's tag line is reaction to Krause's insistence that a fetus has no
right to come to term and be born. Both have the right to their
opinions. Truth is neither can prove their positions.

Congress in their infinite wisdom wrote a law that affirms John's opinion.

http://www.nndb.com/people/738/000023669/

So maybe we can drop this currently unresolvable issue and turn our
attention to our meddling Congress, who has apparently arbitrarily ruled
on the unknown.

On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

He can't. Wayne knows it. John knows it. Do you know it?

On 9/24/2011 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:54:59 -0400, John
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:13:59 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:06:45 -0400, John
wrote:

Can you imagine being Harry's wife, forced to listen to that tripe after asking him to feel the baby
kicking?

"Honey, that is not a baby, despite what right-wingers may have told you. That is nothing more than
a fetus, just like those in pregnant dogs and cats. It could be put to death right now with no loss
to anyone."

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John, I know you are very sincere in your religious beliefs and I have
no intention of mocking them. Let me ask you this however: When does
a fertilized egg become a fetus?

Wayne, you know nothing of the sincerity of my religious beliefs. Other than my having stated I was
Roman Catholic, you know nothing of my beliefs.

One person here said something about a 16 week cutoff for abortions. Where that came from I don't
know. Perhaps you could ask.

What the hell difference does my idea about when a fertilized egg becomes a fetus have to do with
anything?

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

========

You can deny sincerity if you want but I don't believe it.

It is intuitively obvious to anyone who has been fortunate enough to
experience it, that a baby kicking in the womb is more than just a
collection of sub-dividing cells. That is not the issue however.

The question of when a fertilized egg becomes a viable life is
actually very important. It is important to me because, like you, I
am also opposed to aborting human life. But I am also opposed to
bringing unwanted children into the world, and opposed to telling a
woman that she must bring a child into the world because of an
accident.

It is clear to me and many others that a fertilized egg is not an
actual human life, even though the potential is there. To argue
otherwise is an act of religious faith not based on logic. Anyone
who believes that life begins at conception is entitled to their faith
as long as they don't try to impose their belief on others as you seem
intent on doing. If you do otherwise, then you step on my beliefs and
that of many others.

PS, I find your tag line to be offensive and very unfortunate.

Wayne, I couldn't have said the obvious better, although I'll bet you
won't get an honest, sincere answer.

He knows that. He was just baiting John. Tou can turn that question
around and ask it to Wayne and Harry. You still won't get a knowlegeable
honest answer.
Got any more dead horses you want to beat?

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On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't
understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my
religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really
asking a "gotcha" question anyway...

BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather
President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion.
snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are
looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working
with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said,
"if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't
want to know, why ask?

As expected.

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On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

He can't. Wayne knows it. John knows it. Do you know it?

No, I don't, that's why I'd like John to answer the question. He seems
quite adamant that a fetus is a human being, so he must know the answer!