On Oct 8, 10:30*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:52:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I can see that you're a hypocrite, since you haven't engaged those on the
right with such pronouncements.

Frankly I don't think you know me well enough to call me a hypocrite.
The world is not black and white, left and right, just a lot of shades
of gray in between. *Reasonable people can agree to disagree.

And there's nothing to disagree on. I stated the facts based on a
real-world situation, and we've heard that this is being repeated
across the coutry with small companies everywhere.

The facts just make certain people uncomfortable. Too bad.

In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34*pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.


Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.


Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

On Oct 9, 10:15*am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...







On Oct 7, 7:34*pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...







On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.


Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?


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On Oct 9, 11:05*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, *wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, *wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year..
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?

On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?


Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless. Our new boat is sitting on a cradle
at the dealership, and is bought and paid for. We agreed to hold off on
final delivery until after the Annapolis boat show. We're already had a
"wet delivery," and are simply awaiting installation of some electronics
gear, such as radar and chartplotter, and some minor incidentals.

Now, back to Bertie...he's boatless and has been for a long, long
time...why is he here?

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Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

On Oct 9, 11:18*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular *wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:15 am, * *wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, * *wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. *Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. *Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. *I work for a company of 75 employees. *When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?

Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless.

Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless.

So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads,
and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating.

Bye, boatless harry.

On 10/9/10 11:33 AM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?

Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless.

Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless.

So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads,
and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating.

Bye, boatless harry.




I won't be "boating" until later this month, jackoff.

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"Jack" wrote in message ...
On Oct 9, 11:18 am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:09 AM, Jack wrote:





On Oct 9, 11:05 am, Secular wrote:
On 10/9/10 10:59 AM, Jack wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:15 am, wrote:
In article556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
,
says...

On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about $200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

Your health insurance premiums have what, precisely, to do with rec.boats?

You're boatless, so why are you here?

Sorry, Jackoff...I'm not boatless.

Then go boating today. Oh, you can't. You are boatless.

So again, why are you here? You don't contribute to boating threads,
and even when you have a boat you rarely go boating.

Bye, boatless harry.


Krause was forced to sell the little boat. He couldn't stand the ridicule it brought him.

His sugar mommy bought him a new, presumably larger, boat. I wonder if she keeps it in her name?


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If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID.

The magnificent Boatless Harry

Jack wrote:
On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came in the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large multi-national) to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

We'll see. For me the premium increase is minor, considering there is
now no dollar limit to coverage.
Googling seems to indicate the *average* premium increase is estimated
at 8-12%. Seems in line with my "potential" increase.
I say "potential" because the info I received only shows "employee" and
"family" whereas I've previously had "employee + 1."
If that category still exists my premiums might actually be less.
For now we only have anecdotes like yours and mine.
The real *average* won't be known for a few months.
When health care is a crap shoot some roll snake eyes.

Your only options are to go to work where health insurance premiums are
cheaper, or work politically to overturn "Obamacare."
Health care is less "free market" than even auto insurance or cable TV.
They have you by the balls.
"Obamacare" or not, premiums will rise to cover ER visits by the uninsured.
The real answers to the problem are obvious, and have been for years.
Redesign the health care system to a model used by one of the other
developed countries which cover all and do it better and cheaper.
But America is backward, riddled with special interests buying pols, and
a limited class of voters.

What's needed is to break the physician, hospital, medical supply, drug
supply and insurance company unions, like Reagan did with PATCO.
But those unions have bought off the Dem and Rep pols, so it will be tough.
Ultimately that's the only way to make health care affordable for all.
The bleeding heart lefties have convinced way too many people that
nobody should die of cancer at 35 because they can't pay for care, or
lose their house and end up on the streets when they need a stint to
survive.
Go figure.
But there might still be a chance to overturn "Obamacare" and go back to
what we had before though. We'll see.

Jim - Playing the health care hand I was dealt.