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Gasahol Blues
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: QUESTION / SURVEY (NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT) I work at a major marine supplies retailer, and we are featuring "Star-Tron" fuel additive. It claims to resolve ethanol problems as well as "old" gas. The deisel version claims to reduce biological growth in the tank. As we are serious boaters, I want to be as honest and helpful as possible. When I point out the product, many customers tell me they use and like it. Other staff boaters tell me the same. I am interested in your input on this product, good or bad. Please let me know if you use the gas or deisel form, and how long you have used it. Have you noticed a difference? Good or bad? any anecdotes are welcome. Fair winds and good gas, Jayhearts Your post sounds suspiciously self serving but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. A professional fuel polisher with a good reputation told me that the diesel product he prefers is Pri-D. He also said that Biobor is effective but that Pri-D creates smaller "clumps" when the bacteria precipitate out. Smaller clumps are desirable because they are less likely to accumulate in the bottom of the tank and clog the fuel feed. For gasoline Sta-Bil seems to be the product of choice among people that I know. I've also used it myself with good results. I also use Sta-Bil - marine formula. Our marina still has non-alcohol contaminated fuel at the gas pump. But I sometimes do bring in auto gas, and other marinas - who knows? So far, no problems, though. -- Richard Lamb |
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On Jul 27, 1:52*pm, cavelamb wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: QUESTION / SURVEY *(NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT) * * I work at a major marine supplies retailer, and we are featuring "Star-Tron" fuel additive. *It claims to resolve ethanol problems as well as "old" gas. *The deisel version claims to reduce biological growth in the tank. *As we are serious boaters, I want to be as honest and helpful as possible. *When I point out the product, many customers tell me they use and like it. Other staff boaters tell me the same. *I am interested in your input on this product, good or bad. *Please let me know if you use the gas or deisel form, and how long you have used it. *Have you noticed a difference? *Good or bad? *any anecdotes are welcome. Fair winds and good gas, Jayhearts Your post sounds suspiciously self serving but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. * A professional fuel polisher with a good reputation told me that the diesel product he prefers is Pri-D. *He also said that Biobor is effective but that Pri-D creates smaller "clumps" when the bacteria precipitate out. *Smaller clumps are desirable because they are less likely to accumulate in the bottom of the tank and clog the fuel feed. For gasoline Sta-Bil seems to be the product of choice among people that I know. *I've also used it myself with good results. I also use Sta-Bil - marine formula. Our marina still has non-alcohol contaminated fuel at the gas pump. But I sometimes do bring in auto gas, and other marinas - who knows? So far, no problems, though. -- Richard Lamb Get ready for this problem to get much worse and to waste far more oil than it saves. Marinas are soon not going to be able to get ethanol free fuels and the ethanol content is due to increase. The economic cost of ethanol in fuel runs into the tens of billions each year with as much fuel dumped due to being contaminated with water as leaked during the gulf oil spill. The ethanol in fuel is one of the stupidest things ever to be pushed by enviro types and had done more damage to the environment than the gulf oil spill. Consider the millions of people with small gas engines who when finding the fuel is bad simply dump it on the ground.Consider millions of boaters who find they have an entire fuel tank with contaminated fuel simply dump it because there is no good way to dispose of it. The damage done by the use of such fuel is greater than anything BP could have done. |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:09:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: For gasoline Sta-Bil seems to be the product of choice among people that I know. I've also used it myself with good results. Star-Tron is the way to go. I've been using it now for a couple of years in both the Grady and Ranger - not a hickup. Sta-Bil did have some problems a few years ago when ethanol was first introduced and were late to the party, but they also changed their forumulation a little to adjust. Star-tron was formulated for ethanol gasolines - I think the representative said up to 20% ethanol, but don't quote me on that - it was at the Boston Boat Show a couple/three years ago. So far, it's been great. |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:27:03 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote: It is not all that difficult to remove alcohol from gasoline. Just add maybe 20% waterand shake well. Then pour off the upper gasoline layer and discard the lower water layer that has all the alcohol in it. Get the local fuel dealer to drop off a 300 gallon barrel. You can add the water and stir with compressed air, then drain the water. Will that change the effective octane rating of the remaining gasoline? Ethanol, and the methanol my car uses, propane, acetone, toluene they all rate 100 octane. If you take it out it will lower the octane three points or so to the level you have with the upblended gas sold as such. Casady |
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On Jul 27, 11:09*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: QUESTION / SURVEY *(NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT) * * I work at a major marine supplies retailer, and we are featuring "Star-Tron" fuel additive. *It claims to resolve ethanol problems as well as "old" gas. *The deisel version claims to reduce biological growth in the tank. *As we are serious boaters, I want to be as honest and helpful as possible. *When I point out the product, many customers tell me they use and like it. Other staff boaters tell me the same. *I am interested in your input on this product, good or bad. *Please let me know if you use the gas or deisel form, and how long you have used it. *Have you noticed a difference? *Good or bad? *any anecdotes are welcome. Fair winds and good gas, Jayhearts Your post sounds suspiciously self serving but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. * A professional fuel polisher with a good reputation told me that the diesel product he prefers is Pri-D. *He also said that Biobor is effective but that Pri-D creates smaller "clumps" when the bacteria precipitate out. *Smaller clumps are desirable because they are less likely to accumulate in the bottom of the tank and clog the fuel feed. For gasoline Sta-Bil seems to be the product of choice among people that I know. *I've also used it myself with good results. I use the regular Sta-Bil around the house, and the Marine Sta-Bil on the boat with every tank at the maintenance dose. It doesn't get stored long enough in "winter" to worry about it. Never had an issue. |
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Gasahol Blues
sherwin dubren wrote:
For years now, I have been fighting the problems keeping my 4 stroke Ymmaha T9.9 running. Even with adding preservatives to the gas tank, replacing the fuel delivery system, and adding a 19 micron filter inline with the gas feed, the tiny jets on this engine occasionally block up. Nothing helps short of tearing down the carb to clean them. Most of the modern gas engines have these small jets that continually block up. Gasahol is mostly to blame either because it dissolves any loose dirt in your system or breaks down into something that eventually blocks the carbs. Now we have an increase of alcohol being pushed by our farmers to 15 per cent instead of the current 10 percent. This is sure to make the problem worse. The engine manufacturer's have not come up with a really good solution. Just band-aid fixes like adding inline filters and preservatives to the gas. This is taking all the fun out of boating and can even be a safety issue. Sherwin I have fuel infection but that is also susceptible to clogs and failure. I have been using this in my boat and ATV for years will good results: http://www.seafoamsales.com/motor-treatment.html It's a lot cheaper than Yamaha's version of the same product. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... sherwin dubren wrote: For years now, I have been fighting the problems keeping my 4 stroke Ymmaha T9.9 running. Even with adding preservatives to the gas tank, replacing the fuel delivery system, and adding a 19 micron filter inline with the gas feed, the tiny jets on this engine occasionally block up. Nothing helps short of tearing down the carb to clean them. Most of the modern gas engines have these small jets that continually block up. Gasahol is mostly to blame either because it dissolves any loose dirt in your system or breaks down into something that eventually blocks the carbs. Now we have an increase of alcohol being pushed by our farmers to 15 per cent instead of the current 10 percent. This is sure to make the problem worse. The engine manufacturer's have not come up with a really good solution. Just band-aid fixes like adding inline filters and preservatives to the gas. This is taking all the fun out of boating and can even be a safety issue. Sherwin I have fuel infection but that is also susceptible to clogs and failure. I have been using this in my boat and ATV for years will good results: http://www.seafoamsales.com/motor-treatment.html It's a lot cheaper than Yamaha's version of the same product. That stuff has a good reputation but After putting two cans of the stuff through the fuel system on my bike I still had to have the carbs cleaned. -- Me |
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